Outcome of historic associations

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  1. Bethelassoc

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    I've been working on the first associations that formed since Philadelphia (and some before over in England). I was wondering if anyone could fill in the blanks for me (or correct what I have).

    Philadelphia Association (1707) - first association of the colonies; Regular Baptist, now American Baptist

    Charleston Association (1751) - South Carolina; Regular Baptist, now ?

    Sandy Creek Association (1758) - North Carolina; Separate Baptist, now ?

    Ketocton Association (1766) - eastern Virginia; Regular Baptist, now Primitive Baptist?

    Warren Association (1767) - Rhode Island ?

    Kehukee Association (1769) - eastern North Carolina; Regular Baptist, United Baptist, now Primitive Baptist

    Stonington Association (1772) - Connecticut ?

    Strawberry Association (1776) - southern Virginia - United Baptist (General Union 1787?), now Southern Baptist

    Redstone Association (1776) - southwestern Pennsylvania; dissolved in 1832

    Chemung Association (1776?) - Northumberland Co., PA; Regular? now Primitive Baptist

    Shaftesbury Association (1780) - Vermont ?

    Dover Association (1783) - Delaware ?

    Middle District Association (1784) - Virginia; Regular?, United Baptist (General Union 1787), now Southern Baptist

    Elkhorn Association (1785) - Kentucky; Regular, United, now Southern Baptist?

    Other daughter associations of Philadelphia: Baltimore (1793), Salisbury, Delaware, New York, and New Jersey

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  2. Squire Robertsson

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    The Philadelphia Association might be better described as
     
  3. Jeff Weaver

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    Comments interspersed below:
     
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    The Charleston Baptist Association is still in fellowship with the SBC and the South Carolina Baptist Convention.
     
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    As a Regular Baptist of the Northern persuasion, I want to emphasis my comments on the Phila. Association. In 1881, the founders of my home church in the founding documents describe themselves as holding to the commonly held beliefs of Regular Baptists. We would have held to the same points of Faith and practice as the Phila. Assoc. did in 1881. (We've just continued on in them while the P.A. has departed from them.)

    From other threads on this board, I have come to gather the title "Regular Baptist" has one meaning north of the Ohio River and the Mason-Dixon Line and another south of those two lines of demarkation. From what you have read of my comments on other threads, you can see we do not fit the description of the modern day Regular Baptists south of the Ohio and Mason-Dixon.
     
  6. Bethelassoc

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    Thanks all.

    This will help out my list. I wasn't sure about Kehukee and Ketocton, but I figured they were extinct. I have the correct date for Kehukee elsewhere, but forgot to change this list. Thanks Bro Weaver.

    Squire:

    It's amazing how many factions of "Regular" Baptists are out there. I was always familiar with Old Regular and then I became aquainted with Enterprise Regular, and now Bro. Weaver introduced me to another set of Regular Baptists in his area. This of course, doesn't include the GARBC or Northern Regular. I'm sure there are others I don't know about.
     
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    In 1881, we considered ourselves Regular Baptists just as the GARBC did back in the 30s. The men and churchs that founded the GARBC left the Northern Baptist Convention in the mid 30s. My chuch did not leave the NBC until the late 40s.

    It is because of the multiplicity of groups carrying the "Regular" title, that I humbly suggest the change BethelAssoc's description of the Phildelphia Association. Otherwise, you're jumping from the 1790s to the early 2000s. That ignores a lot of shifts in denominational politics and theoloical positions in those 210 years.
     
  8. Bethelassoc

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    Squire:
    I agree, Squire. I want to be as accurate as possible. I have changed the position of Philadelphia in my records. I only put down what I had on them, otherwise, I don't know much of it's history.

    Here's the update then:

    Philadelphia Association (1707) - first association of the colonies; Regular Baptist, Northern Baptist now American Baptist

    Charleston Association (1751) - South Carolina; Regular Baptist, now in fellowship with SBC

    Sandy Creek Association (1758) - North Carolina; Separate Baptist, now SBC?

    Ketocton Association (1767) - Northern Virginia; Regular Baptist, now Primitive Baptist

    Warren Association (1767) - Rhode Island ?

    Kehukee Association (1765) - eastern North Carolina; Regular Baptist, United Baptist, Primitive Baptist, now dissolved

    Stonington Association (1772) - Connecticut, dissolved

    Strawberry Association (1776) - southern Virginia - United Baptist (General Union 1787?), now Southern Baptist

    Redstone Association (1776) - southwestern Pennsylvania; dissolved in 1832; Old School faction dissolved in late 1900s

    Chemung Association (1776?) - Northumberland Co., PA; Regular?, Primitive Baptist, dissolved

    Shaftesbury Association (1780) - Vermont ?

    Dover Association (1783) - Delaware ?

    Middle District Association (1784) - Virginia; Regular?, United Baptist (General Union 1787), now Southern Baptist

    Elkhorn Association (1785) - Kentucky; Regular, United, now Southern Baptist?

    Other daughter associations of Philadelphia: Baltimore (1793), PB, now dissolved; Salisbury, Delaware, PB, now dissolved; New York, and New Jersey (both uncertain)

    CORRECTION:

    Ketocton Association still exists. I made a mistake on a previous post. Sorry. [​IMG]

    Is there anything that I left out?
     
  9. Jeff Weaver

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    The Ketocton Association holds their annual session at the High School Auditorium in Warrenton, VA the 2nd weekend in August annually, if you are inclinded to attend. It is about an hour southwest of Washington, DC.
     
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    This Charleston Association is probably the/a descendant of the original - http://charlestonbaptist.net/. Keep in mind that often such associations represent only one of several possible descendants bearing the same name.
    Sandy Creek in 1992 was part of the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina and the Southern Baptist Convention, and it would appear to still be so - http://www.alsbom.org/associations/. If memory serves, the Sandy Creek Church itself remained Primitive Baptist until it dissolved.
    I have a 1994 ABCUSA Directory. Unlike Philadelphia, these associations are not listed in the regional organizations. My guess would be that they were either absorbed into reorganizations or operate as local associations, if they still exist. There are ABC organizations of Rhode Island (org. 1825), Connecticut (org. 1824), and Vermont & New Hampshire (org. 1990).
    There are two Kehukee Absolute Predestinarian Associations - Kehukee and Eastern Kehukee - which together comprise about 10 churches with about 50 members. Kehukee counts its origin back to 1765 and Eastern Kehukee to 1983. But in their 1983 minutes, they state, "...First Annual Session of The Eastern Kehukee, Formerly Part of the Original Kehukee Association..."
    The Dover Association appears to be connected with the Southern Baptists in Virginia - http://www.doverbaptist.org/. I have a 1990 minute, and they were SBC then.
    There are at least 3 associations with the name Elkhorn. One is Southern Baptist and part of the Kentucky Baptist General Convention - http://www.elkhorn.org/ - probably to be considered the "lineal descendant". There are two Primitive Baptist Universalist "Elkhorn" associations, but they only count back to 1861 on their minutes. I have also heard that there is supposed to be an Absolute Predestinarian Elkhorn association, but I have never been able to confirm it.
    Salisbury - Absolute Predestinarian Primtive Baptist; I got this information from Elder E. Robbins a couple of years ago. There were 4 remaining Salisbury association churches in fellowship with one another. They still considered themselves the Salisbury Association, but did not meet in an annual association meeting.

    In tracing associations from the past to the present, it is sometimes difficult to determine which one should be considered the "true" descendant - the side with the majority at the time of a split? the side that held closest to the original constitution? I think good arguments could be made to support both of those positions. Perhaps they should all be regarded so - since they are. I would be interested in others thoughts on this.
     
  11. Jeff Weaver

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    Bro. Robert.

    Confirmed. The Elkhorn Association was principally located in the same area as the Universalists factions (Southern West Virginia). My great-grand uncle, Elder Henry Drury Halsey was their moderator for about 40 years. He died in 1916. There remain two churches, Zenith and Glenwood Park, but their pastor, Elder Bruce Branch, died a couple of years ago, and I don't know what there current status is.

    As an aside, Henry Drury Hatfield, named for uncle Drury, son of Devil Anse Hatfield, was a member in this association, and was governor of West Virginia in the 1930s.
     
  12. Jeff Weaver

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    Bro. Robert

    I was under the impression that the plain Kehukee Association had dissolved. I know several of their churches are still extant, but independent of any association.

    Jeff.
     
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    Bro. Jeff, thanks for the information. I have a Glennwood Park Church in Mercer County, WV on my list as an independent church. It was corresponding, at least as late as 1999, with the Buttahatchie-Hopewell of AL, Sulphur Fork of Texas, and other associations. I don't have a Zenith Church on my list. Doesn't mean it no longer exists, just that it's not mentioned in any minutes I have (or I've overlooked it). They also may not be in correspondence with any association.

    We could probably say that the plain Kehukee barely exists. It appears the Kehukee probably divided 3 ways - Kehukee, Eastern Kehukee, and independent churches. The Kehukee printed minutes at least as late as 2001, and had 4 churches - Briery Swamp, Bear Grass, Rocky Swamp, and Great Swamp - were served by Elders Harvey Holland and Harold Pittman (and I think they may have been from another association), and corresponded with Upper Country Line, Black Creek, Contentnea, and Seven Mile.
     
  14. Bethelassoc

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    Well, now I've come across another list of associations I made and realized I left out a few the first time:

    Woodstock Association, Vermont, 1783
    Georgia Association, Georgia, 1784
    Vermont Association, Vermont, 1785
    Salem Association, Kentucky, 1785

    (Also, this other list is more accurate than the one I posted. Figures. :rolleyes: )

    [ April 23, 2004, 09:42 AM: Message edited by: Bethelassoc ]
     
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    This may be a question way out of left field, but, does anyone know of any constituted and still meeting Primitive Baptist church in Canada, particularly the Alberta/Calgary areas ?

    My wife will probably be working there, and I may follow her within the year.

    Thanks.
     
  17. Jeff Weaver

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    SHort answer is no. The closest I know of and would be comfortable with would be the Gospel Standard Chapel in Choteau, Montana.

    Jeff.
     
  18. Frogman

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    Dear Pinyobaptist,
    The only ones I am acquainted with in those areas are Landmark Missionary Baptist and most of these are absoluters.

    It may be the Lord has plans dear brother [​IMG]

    God Bless

    Bro. Dallas
     

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