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Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by hillclimber, Dec 22, 2005.
They wanted Gaza, they got it, what goes on there is totally their own concern. I feel very much sorry for the Palestinians that want only peace though. Still when a number of their own countrymen are so filled with hatred for thier neighbours I dont think its wise for Israel to be involved with them at this time until there really is peace in the land.
The land was a desert with a few malaria infested swamps. The Bible said when the Jews returned the land would blosom. It only stand to reason that the land will wilt no that the Jews are gone.
Didn't the Jews trash the greenhouses?
Bunyon is right; all the years the Arabs had the land they did nothing with it, but the Jews worked the land and made it produce crops. Now that the Jews have withdrawn we can see just how hard working they are. Look at Tel Aviv, it was just a wasteland before the Jews built it up to the city it is today.
Kind regards to all.
Nope, it was the goofy Palestinians themselves:
Sad that they would do that to their own people
The very same thing happened in Zimbabwe when dictator Robert Mugabe siezed the white run farms and divided the land up and gave it to his followers. The farms were stripped out of irragation channeling and anything that could be sold for scrap. The farms today lie desolate and their food supply is gone. The white farmers who were paying taxes to the government are gone and the taxation revenue has ceased leading to an economic meltdown. A cricket commentator was being taken to the airport before they were suspended from the competition and saw people lining up for bread being beaten with sticks when the bread ran out.
Meanwhile a number of the Zimbabwean farmers that were forced from their land were given refugee status in Australia and are acquiring and farming their own land here. Hopefully they will get back on their feet, yet their money that was in the banks has all gone.
The covenant God made with Abraham in Genesis 12:1-3 and confirmed many times throughout the OT is still in effect--the land belongs to Israel and Israel will inherit all that is hers when Jesus Christ comes to rule and reign in Jerusalem at the end of the Tribulation. God will not break His covenants with Israel. The Gaza belongs to Israel--not the Palestinians.
Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. (Genesis 12:1-3)
In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: (Genesis 15:18)
The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine; for ye are strangers and sojourners with me. (Leviticus 25:23)
No, it belongs to the Palestinians, as does the West Bank.
No, it belongs to the Palestinians, as does the West Bank. </font>[/QUOTE]The Palestinians may be in possession of the Gaza and the West Bank now, but it does belong to Israel. That land, which we all call Israel, belongs to God. God gave that land to the Jewish people:
The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt. Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations; And repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face. (Deuteronomy 7:7-10)
Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee. (Psalms 122:6)
Do you not pray for the peace of Jerusalem?
Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it. (Zechariah 12:2-3)
I can tell by your attitude that you have no clue about the OT prophecies God made with His people Israel.
All of the earth belongs to God. The Palestians should be given their own independent State in Gaza and the West Bank as soon as they show they can be trusted to keep the militant extremists among them under control.
You need to read more about the mentality of the Muslims. If they are not militant extremists, they are not following their "holy" book, the Koran. The covenant of the PA (Palestinian Authority) calls for the elimination/destruction/annihilation of the state of Israel. There will be no true peace in the Middle East until Jesus Christ comes back. You won't find Israel on the maps of most Muslim dominated countries in the Middle East. They don't even recognize Israel's right to exist. They hate the Jews and the God of the Jews--so I was wondering why you are so adamant about the "right" of the Palestinians to have an independent state in the Gaza and West Bank, when those people are simply out to destroy Israel.
BTW--Israel will never be destroyed and she will get back all that land (all those countries that now belong to the Arabs) when Jesus Christ comes again--Maranatha!
I don't buy into your prejudicial comments about Muslims in the least. But that has already been well debated on this board by two of the members so there is no use in rehashing the same old arguments.
I see that as the only way to eventually have any semblance of peaceful relations between the Palestinians and the Israelis. And I am hopeful that it will come to pass in the not too distant future, especially for the sake of the Israeli children and the Palestinian children.
I don't buy into your prejudicial comments about Muslims in the least. But that has already been well debated on this board by two of the members so there is no use in rehashing the same old arguments. </font>[/QUOTE]Ken:
What I said is NOT prejudicial--it is fact. Did you know that the Muslims call America "The Great Satan" because we are allies with Israel? Don't forget 911. The Muslims need the Lord too. I don't hate the Muslims--I hate their religion, Islam and what it stands for.
1. Did you know that not all Muslims call America "The Great Satan"?
2. 9-11 is forever etched in my memory.
3. Yes, the Muslims do, as do the Jews and all others who reject Jesus as Messiah.
4. I hate what their religion stands for too...it is full of the spirit of Anti-Christ, as is all non-Christian religions.
"1. Did you know that not all Muslims call America "The Great Satan"?"-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Perhaps, but 90+ percent of them want Israel to disappear and resent our involvement with Israel.
"as do the Jews and all others who reject Jesus as Messiah."-----------------------------------
Do you realize that it is possible to be a messianic Jew, and their are many of them, but it is impossible to be a messianic Muslim.
That should put thing into perspecive for you.
1. Would you show me your polling data, oh omniscient bearer of all knowledge about what every Muslim thinks?
2. Do you realize that it is totally possible for a Muslim to be saved by the grace of God, just as much so as it is for a Jew? Judging by your comments above, I am wondering if you do.
Oh, omniscient master of sarcasm why would you think that polling data would be accurate anyhow? I don't think a lot of Muslims who hate America would admit it.
Of course a Muslim can be saved, but then he ceases to be a Muslim does he not?