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Discussion in 'Politics' started by LadyEagle, Oct 2, 2008.
Who won the debate this evening?
Of course Joe Biden won, just as I thought he would. Palin's attempt to be an everyday working housewife came off as phony.
BTW, I wish she would learn how to pronounce Iran and Iraq. So much for public education in Alaska. :laugh:
More intelligent and profound posts. Keep it up!:thumbs:
Palin did very well tonight. Too bad she doesn't have more debates before the election. My wife and daughter both said she seemed like a regular person instead of a politician.
It would have really benefited Palin if she:
1. answered the question asked, rather than continually going back to talk about a subject already covered.
2. offered some genuine ideas that represent the change a McCain/Palin Administration would have us believe they bring. For all of her chiding about looking back, she really didn't offer any real change.
Sarah also conveniently forgets that the GOP has controlled all three branches of the government for most of this decade.
But unfortunately we will end up with McCain/Palin and will have to endure more of the same..........
Regards LadyEagle, hope all is well with you and yours,
BiR (heading to Knoxville next week)
A very good debate . Both presented themselves rather well and presented their case for their respective running mates. In these debates one will always expect that the VP candicates will be the attack dog and on that I have to give Biden the edge. Sarah didn't stumble though and I'm sure that is going to dissapoint a lot of Democrats.
Interesting that you, of all people, would make this statement.
It was a pretty good debate.
I think Palin did a good job of identifying with "ordinary" people and emphasizing that she is a Washington outsider. She held herself extremely well and did not repeat herself too much. I found she had a harder time directly answering the questions than Biden and was obviously not as well versed on the issues as Biden. I also think she did not do a very good job of promoting McCain as the choice over Obama.
I think Biden did a good job of directing his attacks at McCain instead of Palin. He was also showed his experience well with his ability to recall the voting histories and discussions surrounding the issues but made it easy to be cast as a Washington insider. I think he did a better job than Palin at promoting his candidate and casting doubt on McCain's abilities to lead and implement change. I also think he did a better job of appealing to independents with his willingness to agree with Palin and McCain on many issues. While I think Biden addressed more issues that would resonate with "ordinary" people, I think Palin did a better job of identifying with them.
Altogether both of them did a really good job and while I thought Palin would win this one, I think I will have to call it a tie.
There you are! I was waiting for your wonderful wisdom tonight. Thank you so much for your words of wisdom and keen insight.:applause:
I always look forward to the ever impressive hmmmm!:thumbs:
I agree Gold, if you were looking for facts then Biden was a clear winner.
She had an appeal that even if she was giving out recipe for biscuits she would have been viewed favorably. She did well, I wonder if the damage has been reversed by just this one performance.
If you would like to revisit the discussions where you showed us the extent of your knowledge of socialism vs. communism, then by all means revive the discussions. But judging by your inability to answer to a simple yes/no question about Rush Limbaugh, I doubt you will do it.
But thanks for your insight, as always.
Have a great weekend,
Oh you are welcome!:thumbs: Let's do this again real soon.:wavey:
You bet - simply revive the discussions.......
I think the Couric interview showed how unprepared she was at the time. It looks like she's done some more homework since then and was able to address most of the issues in the debate competently. But I think there is still a lot of work for her to do to handle another one-on-one interview with the media who will be a lot less forgiving than a debate moderator.
I also think that issues will never really be a strong suit of hers and she needs to emphsize her strong suits of personality and delivery.
So, are you suggesting that she should focus on style rather than substance?
An honest question,
Biden didnt tell us any more than Obama did. they keep saying "change" but havent explained just how or what they are going to change.
All except for the huge tax cut for 95% of Americans, and that doesnt make sense. They are proposing a trillion dollar increase in spending, and are going to cut taxes???????? Obama must be a economic Houdini.
When will Obama/Biden stop talking about George Bush? He is not running for president again.
I think she did very well, undid any damage, did above what she had to do...I think we will see the results in the polls.
I just watched a prominent Obama supporter - sorry, can't remember his name - who was greatly praising her performance, and saw an interview of a room of undecideds who said she won, so we should see at least a small shift in the polls, I would think.
I had some interruptions here and there with phone calls and the like, and so didn't catch everything clearly, but if I'm not mistaken, Biden said something about McCain not studying the history of the last 700 years, but turned around later and said something about something he - Biden - had supported (yes, I know I'm being vague here - just didn't catch it all- sorry!) and people tried to tell him it had been the same way for a 1000 years, but he ended up being right about it. I thought she lost an opportunity to call him on that, but then again, I may have totally misunderstood the whole thing because I was in and out of it for a time.
I agree, it was obvious she had no depth to her but that's not what wins these things. It's all about perception. She wins because she connected to average joe.
I don't think she will be doing any serious interviews, just conservatives that won't press her for actual facts. She is over the hump, American knows her so there is no need to risk a real interview.
I'm not a republican or a democrat. I'm a Canadian living in Australia who normally votes Conservative.
I'm trying to acknowledge her strengths and weaknesses. While issues are important and she needs to do her work there, she also needs to recognize her strengths and use them to her advantage. Substance is vital and without it style means nothing. But substance without style is useless in a leader. You can have the best policies and ideas, but if you cannot communicate them effectively to identify with those you wish to lead, you are not a useful leader. Style is a strength of hers and she needs to use it more.