Passover/Easter

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  1. tamborine lady

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    I know all or most of you on here are Christians, so thinking like an atheist won't come easy.

    But just suppose you are one, and someone posted the following, and put your name where the blanks are, what kind of reaction do you think you would have?



    I was taken aback _____ ____ by your question about celebrating Passover and Easter. So I wanted to check my facts before I posted an answer. Passover was instituted back in the old testament book of Exodus, when the Jewish people were leaving Egypt. .Ex 12:1 ¶ And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying,.......Read all the way down, especially verse 47. This is an old testament thing for the Jews. ( Ex 12:47 All the congregation of Israel shall keep it ) We (Gentiles) are not required to observe it. We celebrate the death and Resurrection of Jesus on Resurrection Sunday, (Easter). The two holidays are not connected, that's why they are not celebrated at the same time. It is not even a requirement that celebrate either one of these. We can celebrate if we want to but, the most important this is that we believe in Him and try to live for Him.. Jesus. We as Christians have a NEW COVENANT and are not under the law of having to do all the hundreds of things the Jews were (are) required to do.


    I would appreciate your comments.
     
  2. Darrell C

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    It is true we are not required to celebrate Passover as it is required in the Law, because we are under the New Covenant, not the Covenant of Law, which was given specifically to Israel, and while Gentiles could become proselytes, they never attained to an equal comparison, or it could not be said that Christ has made one of the twain.

    I would just point out that the Passover is a picture of Christ's death, thus would have to disagree that "The two holidays are not connected." We cannot separate the parable from the reality.

    Would you mind explaining what it is that bothers you about the statement? And just to clarify, are you an atheist? Just clarifying, and mean no offense. And have to get going so will look for a response on the morrow, lol.


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  3. annsni

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    Was someone offended by what you wrote?
     
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    Israel was a type and shadow of the church. The Passover instituted under the Law bears many striking resemblances to the week of Christ's crucifixion. From the triumphal entry into Jerusalem (picking out a lamb without blemish) to the trial and crucifixion (killing of the lamb) to the nails and crown of thorns (blood on the door posts and lentil / blood applied to our own heart), the events provide a holy parallel. To say one is only for a specific group is to sell short the glory of God.

    Well, they are not celebrated at the same time because they are not the same day. Kind of like Christmas Eve is not Christmas. To say they are not connected is wrong. They are greatly connected in both physical proximity and in spiritual correlation. The Passover was the signifying moment in which the children of Israel knew they would be leaving the bondage of Egypt, and they were told to eat it in haste, with their feet shod and ready for travel. The resurrection was the signifying event that the children of God (the church) would be leaving the bondage of sin. These events run in such close parallel that to try to extricate one takes away great meaning from the other.

    This is true, in that we are not required to celebrate any particular day, but we should recognize that "this is the day that the Lord has made," and "today is the day of salvation." That does not mean we should shun these days. The Passover also saw the institution of the Lord's Supper, which many if not most call Communion. Paul offered instruction that we should pray and examine ourselves before taking communion, and we should perform those tasks "as oft as ye do [communion]."
     
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    No, I am not an atheist, and YES someone was offended by the post. Their name was included, and they didn't disagree with what was written, but that their name was included. Made the atheist VERY angry. Can anyone figure out why?

    Yes I do agree that Passover and Resurrection Sunday are connected in so far as Jesus was our Passover lamb, but since we are under the new covenant, we are not required to celebrate Passover

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    The statement above is wrong. Christ was crucified on Passover - so of course the resurrection event is always going to be at the time of Passover.

    The other reason there is a connection is that Christ instituted the Lord's Supper as the new form of the Passover celebration - IT was a Passover service that they were having - for that first Lord's Supper event.

    Passover not only predicted the Lamb of God suffering and dying for our sins - it also predicted the very day of His death in terms of the time of year. Christ was literally crucified on the day that the Passover lamb was to be slain.

    in Christ,

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    So they weren't offended by the content of your reply but the fact that you used their name??
     
  8. tamborine lady

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    Yes Annsni that is exactly the reason they gave. Using their name was evidently more important than whether the statement was right or wrong. That is the part I don't understand.
     
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    I'm guessing they don't want their names to be searchable??? That's all I can think of.
     
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    I can only believe that he is either under conviction by the Holy Spirit; OR he could be fighting his particular demon, and over reacted by a long shot.He unfriended 5 Christians that I know of, and no telling how many more, and some of those people didn't even comment on the statement.
     
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    Sister Tamborine,

    This might be a little help for your understanding.

    1 Cor 5:

    7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
    8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.


    Acts 18:21

    But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.


    We don't have much to do for the 7 feasts of the LORD.
    But we remember and commemorate the Death at the Cross shedding the Blood, for the Redeeming us from our sins.


    For your Info, in 2008 the Passover was on April 18, and the Easter was 23 March 2008.

    In other words, the so-called Resurrection Day was 26 days earlier than the day of Crucifixion. Can you believe it?

    Was Jesus resurrected first, then died 26 days later?


    What about 2015?

    Easter, so-called the Resurrection Day, was April 5, 2015.
    Passover was April 4, 2015.
    Was Jesus resurrected within 12 hours?

    Why did it happen?

    Because the Easter was not set up following the Passover, but according to the Babylonian Tradition thru Roman Catholic.
    Easter was the name of goddess of Babylon
    Her son Tammuz was told to have been killed in hunting and the people wept for him for 40 days as we read in Ezekiel 8:14
    Then he was said to have been resurrected on the first Sunday after the full moon after Spring Equinox.
    So, all the time the Easter was fixed according to the Resurrection Day of Tammuz, not of Jesus Christ.

    So, Easter is the pagan holiday!


    Eliyahu
     
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    Well, I thank you all for your comments. Sorry to say most of you are making a point for the atheist, or just want to make sure your version is heard, I'm not sure which. But anyway, I asked one question and most of you, (not all) are answering another. I thank you so much anyway, because without knowing it, you have all helped me a great deal, not in the way you think, but still it has been a help.

    God bless you all, and keep up the good work.
     
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    BTW Eliyahu,

    My understanding of the Passover and Easter is intact. I am not as deluded as some of you seem to think. Have been a Christian for many years, and have a lot of understanding. Some are so hung up on the scriptures that they miss meaning of things.

    Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
     
  14. Darrell C

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    You don't think the Lord is negating the fact that the Word of God is to be revered, even as Christ revered it, do you?

    Notice He states "...and they are they which testify of Me."


    John 5:37-39

    King James Version (KJV)

    37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

    38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.

    39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.



    It is their understanding that is rebuked, not the Scriptures themselves, which God has testified of Christ in.

    There is no question that the Word of God is important in salvation:


    1 Peter 1:22-23

    King James Version (KJV)

    22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

    23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.


    John 6:67-69

    King James Version (KJV)

    67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

    68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

    69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.




    God bless.
     
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    Thanks for clarifying, the OP didn't make it clear who was saying what.


    Was this a forum or some sort of social network like facebook? If a forum, a member has no reason for their name being used.

    And I am still trying to figure out why an atheist would be advocating celebrating Passover.


    At the same time it is important that we understand...neither are we forbidden to celebrate it. Watched a movie recently, the third "Night at the Museum," where the Egyptian exhibit of Pharaoh and his wife state "We love Hebrews," when they find out the main character is one, "We had 40,000 Hebrew slaves, they were very happy," to which the main character says casually, "No they weren't. In fact, we get together once a year and talk about it."

    Just thought that was funny.

    There is no mandate for the Jewish Christian to relinquish his heritage. Celebrating Passover could be viewed (and playing devil's advocate here, not actually advocating) that it is a reverence for the same event that Passover depicts and foreshadows. Paul doesn't have a problem engaging in a ritual that belonged to his heritage. Not saying he was right to do so, but, we do see the example of the leadership of the Church which is Jewish not casting off their heritage.

    God bless.
     
  16. Gerhard Ebersoehn

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    I had this discussion many times . . . .

    1Corinthians 5:8

    “Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.”

    <<<Notice that, "let us keep the feast". Don't go trying to change the subject by asking, what is the unleavened bread of sincerety and truth. Paul said plainly to a bunch of gentiles, "let us therefore keep the feast".
    If as you claim the Feasts puts one back under the Old Covenant then why does Paul tell gentiles to keep the feast, with unleavened bread nonetheless. You are all in so much error, but you stubbornly refuse to see it
    .>>>

    Never in life and nowhere in the Scriptures told Paul anybody, <<<to keep the feast, with unleavened bread>>>. You cannot read plain English!

    <<<Whenever leaven is mentioned in the Bible (22 times in the Old Testament and 17 times in the New Testament), it always (or almost always) represents sin or evil. The first instance in which this word is used is found in (Ex 12:15). Because leaven is equated with sin throughout the Bible, the "unleavened bread" pictured bread (Jesus) without sin in it.>>>

    Shirley starts from an unfounded assertion; then attempts to ‘prove’ his assertion with instances of proof. His proof-text, <Ex 12:15> in no way suggests sin. In fact, it contradicts the meaning of the text because Exodus 12:15 tells the PEOPLE to remove all leaven. It doesn’t tell them to remove all their sins. What would they need the passover sacrifice for if they could have removed their sins with removing leaven from their houses?
    Shirley starts from an unfounded assertion; then without any proof-case of relevance, claims he has proved “"unleavened bread" pictured bread (Jesus) without sin in it”.
    The lamb for passover sacrifice had to be “without blemish” itself and typified Jesus without sin in Himself. Unleavened showed the death of the perfect lamb; leavened bread showed its LIFE.
    And so with Jesus the Lamb of God who is called the “Bread of LIFE”—the sinless LEAVENED Bread of Life.

    <<<a "blood sacrifice" … was not to be offered with leavened bread (Ex 23:18)(Ex 34:25)>>>

    … which is wrong, opposite what is actually written.
    Exodus 23:17,18,
    “Ye shall bring two loaves … baken WITH LEAVEN … and ye shall offer WITH THE (LEAVENED) BREAD seven lambs… an offering unto the LORD of SWEET SAVOUR.”
    Sin cannot be a sweet savour unto the LORD but leaven was.

    <<<It is interesting to note, however, that for a peace offering (Lev 7:13) and wave offering (Lev 23:17) God commanded that leaven be used.>>>

    Significantly, yes! Because Jesus’ LIFE brought on our peace. Again, it only confirms leaven in the Bible much rather signifies the SINLESS LIFE OF CHRIST TAKEN AWAY for an atonement for our sinful life.

    <<<The key is that you only need to add a very small amount of fermented dough to make new dough rise.(Gal 5:9) describes this saying, "a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.">>>

    Yes; that’s the <key>. It’s not sin which is the key. Rather,
    … the function of yeast or fermentation can be compared with the working of the Holy Spirit bringing the Light of Jesus into one’s life,
    Ephesians 5:8-10 “For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord : walk as children of the light for the FRUIT OF LIGHT [SPIRIT] in all goodness and righteousness and truth proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.” A “very small amount” of Jesus’ Divine LIFE—like the yeast of life or the leaven of the Spirit—enlightens everything in all of God’s children.
    There is NO justification for Shirley’s illegitimate application,

    <<<Carrying this out to sin, it can be said that "a little sin can wind up destroying the whole body.>>>

    Carrying the similitude of the leaven out to the Life of the Lord is the real and positive meaning which is to assure true believers. It must be said of JESUS who is our Righteousness, that "a little leaven” of HIS LIFE will fill and let “grow with the growth of God, the whole Body of Christ’s Own." Colossians 2:19.

    <<<In the second instance, Jesus compared the false teaching (sin) of the Pharisees and Sadducees with leaven (Mt 16:6-12).
    In the third, Jesus warned of the leaven of Herod (he was evil and immoral: Mt 4:1-12,Mk 6:14-29, Lk 3:18-21, Lk 23:7-12) and again the Pharisees (Mk 8:15).
    In the fourth, Jesus said, "Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees which is hypocrisy" (sin)(Lk 12:1).
    >>>

    Yes indeed when it is Jesus Himself who defines the leaven of the Pharisees as hypocrisy, who will protest?!
    But where it is God who Himself instructs his children on the meaning of the leaven of the Bread-of-Life, who is going to define it as the leaven of the Pharisees which is hypocrisy?!

    <<<In (1 Cor 5:8), Paul also gives us a great contrast between leavened (sin) and unleavened (sin free) bread, comparing leaven with "malice and wickedness" and unleavened bread with "sincerity and truth.">>>:

    Shirley gives a faulty interpretation. The <key-word>, here, is not the word ‘leaven’, but the word “OLD, leaven—the leaven-OF-MALICE and wickedness”
    Why does Shirley not quote the text fully?!
    Because it is an old malady of expositors to rigidly sort words into categories of no exceptions, “almost always” to bolster some or other extremist ideology.
    But let’s look closer at the words which Paul used. He ends verse 8 saying, “Let us feast … with REMOVING LEAVEN / UN-LEAVENING”—which ‘leaven’?
    “Let us feast in / with / by (the) removing of sincerity and truth” of the “OLD leaven” and “leaven-of-MALICE-and-wickedne ss.”
    “in / with / by (the) removing”—‘en’ Preposition plus DATIVE—Modal Dative / Dative of Means / Dative and Preposition of RELATION!
    So here Paul actually supplies a VIVID SPIRITUAL Christian application of the passover-feast specifically wherein is CELEBRATED THE REMOVAL OF LEAVEN rather than the addition of leaven. Here only, Paul makes the feast one of the removing of the “OLD leaven” of the PEOPLE’S “malice and wickedness” and not of Jesus’ NEW LIFE that He had obtained “in / with / by REMOVING” THE LEAVEN OF HIS SINLESS LIFE.

    <<<Jesus said, "Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees which is hypocrisy" (sin)(Lk 12:1).>>>

    When it is Jesus Himself who defines the leaven of the Pharisees as hypocrisy, the leaven of the Pharisees is, hypocrisy—and sin.
    Hypocrisy is spiritual DEATH APPEARING to be Life.
    But Jesus’ leaven IS, Righteousness and IS, LIFE—“life more abundantly!” Jesus’ leaven makes the leaven-less dough of our own lives LIVE and swell and rise and overflow our plate and cup of enjoyment in the Lord in the heat of affliction, trial and temptation.

     
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    The posts are so long that they cease to be of interest, because my eyes glaze over with everyone's intelligence, and I can't read it all. So it becomes meaningless. You have all cured me, I no longer care what the persons motive was, It is of no importance. Good night and God Bless.
     
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    Just remember God is watching you!!!

    ALL THE TIME!!
    UQ


    The solace of my soul. I shall fear Him awesomely.
     

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