Pastor asks followers to pray for his critics to die

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    His response comes after a call to the IRS about a political endorsement he issued on church letterhead.
    By Dave McKibben
    August 16, 2007

    Wiley S. Drake, a Buena Park pastor and a former national leader of the Southern Baptist Convention, called on his followers to pray for the deaths of two leaders of Americans United for Separation of Church and State.

    The request was in response to the liberal group's urging the IRS on Tuesday to investigate Drake's church's nonprofit status because Drake endorsed former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee for president on church letterhead and during a church-affiliated Internet radio show.

    Drake said Wednesday he was "simply doing what God told me to do" by targeting Americans United officials Joe Conn and Jeremy Leaming, whom he calls the "enemies of God."

    "God says to pray imprecatory prayer against people who attack God's church," he said. "The Bible says that if anybody attacks God's people, David said this is what will happen to them. . . . Children will become orphans and wives will become widows."

    Imprecatory prayers are alternately defined as praying for someone's misfortune, or an appeal to God for justice.

    "Let his days be few; and let another take his office," the prayer reads. "Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow."

    Conn said he was "startled" at Drake's reaction to the complaint against Drake's First Southern Baptist Church of Buena Park.

    "We expected him to try to defend his actions," Conn said.

    "Instead he goes on spiritual blitzkrieg against us, praying for our destruction. He completely glossed over the fact that his actions are clearly a violation of federal tax law."

    Drake is a long-time Orange County evangelical preacher who frequently captures the spotlight.

    In the 1990s, he protested "Gay Day" at Disneyland and a 2 Live Crew concert as obscene. He also fought Buena Park city officials who tried to stop him from sheltering homeless people on church grounds.

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    I do not know what to say about this. I agree with every thing he is doing except asking for people to pray for someone to die.
     
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    This pastor needs to take a trip into the New Testament. I wonder if he still offers animal sacrifices, too. :rolleyes:
     
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    I read some of the comments on the LA times. Things like this really make non believers see Christians as crazy people.
     
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    What's next ? "Christian" voodoo chants and dolls ?
     
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    When Christ taught us how to pray, emphasis was put on worship of God, recognition of our status before him, and for his will to be the order. Only our most basic human needs are ever addressed by Christ in ptrayer. Since it isn't God's will that any die without Christ, this guy is purdy dangerous. I hope everyone can see thru him, in his congregation, and they put him in the unemployment line.
     
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    Amen Bro. Curtis
     
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    Just checked e-Sword, Luke 9:51-56 is in the translations I have in there, so dunno what this bloke is using...

    ...hmmmm...not sure what he is using in more ways than one ;)
     
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    First, God bless Wiley Drake. I had the pleasure of meeting this man relatively recently and I found him to be a zealous Christian on fire for our Lord.

    Second, ya'll selling him out because of an LA Times article shows once again how you'll believe the media side of events before you'll even listen or consider the Christian's side of the story.

    Third, there is nothing wrong with imprecatory prayer (see Psalm 109) and as the courts of man continue to fail it will become more and more incumbent upon Christians to take our conflicts to God's court for judgment.

    Finally, if Wiley is 501c3, then he was wrong to endorse Huckabee as this would be a violation of his covenant with the state. If he wants to be free to say whatever he wants then he'll have to become the pastor of a free church. However, praying against a couple of heathen that would try to hand him over to the state for punishment...I've got no issue with that. In fact, I'll be praying against them myself.
     
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    Surely your not comparing what this guy is facing with what David was facing when he prayed.

    Christ prayed for the forgiveness of his killers, I think he sets a pretty good example.
     
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    You ask this because David was involved in a physical war and Pastor Drake is involved in a spiritual one?
     
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    His battle falls under the legal category.

    Christians are going to be persecuted. I don't see an example by Jesus that this guy is following.

    Christ didn't ever pray for harm to come to anyone.

    This guy should address the law, and explain why he is exempt from it.
     
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    Pastor Wiley Drake Calls for Imprecatory Prayer against So-Called Religious Liberty W

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    It would appear he made a personal endorsement but he made the egregious errors of using church letter head and a radio program that is affiliated with a church.
     
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    I think this is a great argument for independant churches, eh ?

    I will not pray for harm to come to anyone, even in spiritual issues, too much of a can of worms, for me. I don't see Christ setting that example, quite the contrary.

    I'll pray for the Lord's will to be done.
     
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    Just because he is zealous doesn’t mean he is right or honorable.

    I first heard of this incident through the Associated Baptist Press story a few days ago. I heard it from Christians first, and the LA Times seems to be telling the same story.

    I agree, leave it to God. But if Drake actually left it to God, why did he publicize his prayer so that some religiously-haunted nutcase might decide to be “God’s instrument of vengeance” and go after these people?

    He has a history of using letterhead improperly and has been called on the carpet by SBC attorneys for the way he has tried to speak for the SBC in the recent past.

    What makes you think that those people are heathens? Do you know that for a fact? There is a very good chance they are fellow Christians, even Baptists. The traditional Baptist position has been separation of church and state for many centuries, so quite a few Baptists support the work of Americans United. Just because Wiley Drake disagrees with the mainstream of his Baptist heritage (if he actually knows anything about his Baptist heritage) does not automatically make his enemies “heathen.”

    God may indeed exact vengeance for Drake’s public prayer, but I don’t think it is going to visit the Americans United staffers…
     
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    I think I'm going to start praying for God to chastise Pastor Drake untils he repents.
     
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    What Drake prays for others may come back on him. Didn't Jesus tell us to love our enemies as ourselves?
     
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    Several years ago I was going squirrel hunting with my brother-in-law. we had about a 2 hour drive to get there and I told him, he wasn't going to get any squirrels today. He asked why? I told him because I asked the Lord last night to not let him get any squirrels.....................:applause:
     
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    I'm not asking for God to harm him (in a physical or eternal sense), but to discipline him for his own good and the good of his hearers.
     
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    I'm not going to ask you to go hunting with me. (smiley)
     
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