Pastor takes issue with Dobson's Obama comments

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  1. Revmitchell

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    "One of the beauties of the Christian faith is that we view the presence and power of God differently based on our experience, based on our revelation, based on our reason," Caldwell contends. "And I think we run a big risk when we attempt to make everybody's interpretation of the scripture and view of God line up with ours exclusively ...."

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    This is the kind of junk you get when you fail to hold to the inerrancy of scripture.
     
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    If we ever attempt to establish a Christian theocracy in the United States then we will end up like the Shiites and Sunnis in Muslim countries and like Europe was a few hundred years ago when Christians went to war with each other over their differing beliefs.
     
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    Theocracy?:confused:
     
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    The point, Pastor Mitchell, is that Christians(even conservative Christians) don't agree on Biblical interpretation.

    And one's Biblical interpretation is irrelevant for the secular office of president of the United States.
     
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    Not really, if a person rightly divides the Word, they will be better equipped for the role of POTUS. If not, disaster looms for this nation. As the leaders, so goes the nation.

    Exactly.
     
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    As God created all things the "Secular" office is a myth. Regardless of interpretations based on the deviant will of man Scripture only has one meaning.
     
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    AMEN!:jesus:



    Does it not astonish you that some Christians have a belief that God is only relevant when they say He is!?

    They continue to throw out "theocracy", while nobody is even advocating such, in order to justify their belief God is not always relevant. They justify this by saying Scripture can be interpreted differently when in fact Scripture is absolutely clear in respect to evil or un-Godly nations/people as shown in the Bible.

    This is not to say they were always in perfect harmony with God, as man is flawed; however people and nations who openly reject Him and turn toward wicked ways, (IE: gay marriage, bestiality as it will surely come, pornography, abortions, etc etc). will eventually incur His wrath. This as God promises and as easily seen throughout the Bible with Israel and other nations/people.

    On the other hand the Bible also insures nations and people who look to God will be Blessed. This again does not mean we could ever be in perfect harmony with God as only God is perfect.

    This nation was founded on Christian principles with Christians holding office. Many of these Christians allowed their faith to guide them in all aspects of private and public life as history shows and as the Constitution was written. A true and good Christian is capable of respecting other people's views and faith or lack of! But that does not mean they have to throw God to the curb as some professing Christians on this forum gleefully advocate!


    God says;




    I would hope to be capable in stopping and questioning my own salvation as a Christian, if I found myself openly and gleefully opposing what God unmistakably proclaims! As some such as Obama find themselves in regards to Salvation, abortions, and sanctity of marriage alone, etc. This also in addition to what Dr. Dobson correctly pointed out. BTW, it was Obama who brought Dr. Dobson into the debate with his comments toward Dr. Dobson in comparison to Rev. Sharpton. The latter's highly derisive actions speak for itself and good only comes to Christians who stand for the Word of God, as Dr. Dobson did.
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    Otherwise, if Obama and others' will not look to get right with the Bible especially when invoking it, one should simply take heed


    God emphatically states without question, or various interpretation;

    Barrack Hussein Obama proclaims there are "many" ways to salvation, though he professes to be a Christian. Jesus Christ the Lord and Savior states
     
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    The United States is not ancient Israel.
     
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    How many presidents have we had, LE, that you would say agree with you and most of us who post on this board, say, 90% on theological issues? My guess would be very few, if any.
     
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    :laugh:

    Uh huh.

    This one is fast becoming the number one excuse for Christians supporting candidates whose positions are decidedly unbiblical.

    It's trying to replace the "not a single issue voter" pablum that they hand out to excuse themselves for turning off their Christianity in the voting booth.
     
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    This would be relevant if Senator Obama was running for national pastor of the United States. However, neither he nor Senator McCain, nor a plethora of others, are. They are running for the secular office of president of the United States. Some conservative Christians can have a hissy fit all they want that it isn't a secular office. However, their hissy fit won't change the fact that it is a secular office.
     
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    Secular? Secular?

    Try telling that to the FF.

    http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel06.html
     
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    Ro 13:1 - Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

    The "hissy fit" is thrown by those who make poor attempts to lead dual lives secular/spiritual which is in complete opposition to the Christian faith. A secular life is a carnal life for it rejects God. Do you really want to reject God in any aspect of your life?
     
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    None of which, LE, states that the presidency is not a secular office. As a said, some conservative Christians can have a hissy fit all they want but it won't change reality.

    So hissy fit on. :)
     
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    We are discussing the qualifications for a public office, Pastor Mitchell, not a person's life.

    Again, I ask, how many presidents have we had whose theological convictions would past muster with the vast majority of posters on this board? My answer - very few, if any at all.
     
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    No one here seemed to care when President Bush said the exact same thing back in 2004.
     
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    The person who votes is either a Christian or they are lost.

    This has no bearing on the conscience, and responsibility of Christians.
     
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    I care......
     
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    Your attempt to obscure the issue at hand is ridiculously shallow!

    My post directly addresses this thread and recent threads on this issue. In regards to Obama's statements in biblical terms, Constitutional terms, and as Dr. Dobson addressed. Which this thread addresses, you know; "pastor takes issue with Dobson's Obama comments."

    Obama's notion, again to point, as he so emphatically stated is that a "democracy demands" people and representatives should forsake their personal beliefs in order to conform to a more universal view. Not only is this blatantly untrue but the Founders who invoked the blessings of God, implemented programs in spreading the Word of God, held Church services in the Capitol of this supposed "secular" government, supported Churches and Faith based groups; Insured the Constitution would protect against such as Obama is espousing.

    A mountain of other examples could be provided from the Pilgrims days and with every President to date. To think Presidents could invoke national days in asking Forgiveness and Blessings from God and yet attempt to state it to be purely secular is ignorant or revisionism.


    Your claims are debunked! In addition and for laughter :laugh: these and many former Presidents spend quite a bit of time speaking about their faith to the American people. In fact, this presidential bid between Obama and McCain is showing more of such than ever! Apparently they as most every president and indeed representative see the importance religion plays within the public role. After all, the first and only representative to ever openly invoke atheism is only in service now. Again your statements are debunked.


    Debunked! Secular means devoid of any religious or Godly aspects. Presidents asking for Gods blessings and support and calling for national days of prayer show the fallacy of your statements alone. Neither Christians nor Conservatives need have a 'hissy fit" in providing more though they could.

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    Not at all. But, please, keep hissy fitting on. I find such comments to be entertaining. :)
     

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