Pastors Or Shepherds?

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  1. TCGreek

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    I have to commend the ESV for translating poimen consistently.

    Poimen is the word for "Shepherd" in John 10:11, "I am the good Shepherd."

    It is what Peter uses for Christ as principal "Shepherd (1 Pet 5:4).

    But when we come to Paul's use of it in Eph 4:11, we have "pastors" instead of "shepherds," which is being consistent.

    Only one version has "shepherd" everywhere poimen appears--ESV.
     
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    [SIZE=-1]A pastor is a minister or priest of a Christian church. The word itself is derived from the Latin word pastōr which means shepherd. :)
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    So where did pastor come from? Well, it came from the Latin Vulgate, which influenced the first English translation of the Bible and since then, just about all other major English translations.

    But here's the difference: Jerome consistently rendered Greek poimen with the Latin pastor in the Vulgate.

    So in John 10:11 it's pastor, in Eph 4:11 pastor, and 1 Pet 5:4 pastor.
     
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    ...so what's the question again :confused:
     
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    If we go with the word's original meaning, then we get a "feeder" then "shepherd" then its use metaphoric use of God as our shepherd then appointed leaders as shepherds of God's people then to refer to church officials, elders in this case.
     
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    I'm just commending the ESV (2007) as the only major English translation, being willing to depart from an inconsistency in translation for all these years.

    In fact, the ESV's 2001 edition had "pastors" at Eph 4:11, but now in the 2007 text, we find "shepherds."
     
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    Of course John Darby beat them to it by more than a century:)
     
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    Thanks for the referral.

    Here's Darby everyone:

    "and *he* has given some apostles, and some prophets, and some evangelists, and some shepherds and teachers" (Eph 4:11)
     

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