Pastor's wife says she snapped

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  1. Terry_Herrington

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    Life without parole.
     
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    Terry,

    I agree with Stefan. I have no problem with capital punishment but don't believe it warranted in this case.
     
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    I would personally classify this as second-degree murder.
     
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    "Father, forgive them. They know not what they do..."

    Medical help

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    From your source.

    I am deeply sympathetic and I understand how it could happen.

    However, no murderer is without a mental issue that needs help.

    The same sentence should be rendered for someone who walked down the street and shot a stranger.

    I find it very very sad. Especially as I can relate. I used to think the only way my ex would quit doing that type of stuff was if he was dead. As a Christian, divorce was supposably not an option. He had to leave.

    I'd imagine she felt the same trap, and it broke her. That's very sad for everyone involved.
    Yet, murder is murder. One could push it and say it may have been self defense, but that's a slippery slope.
    Aren't most murders of this nature? Family or good friends snap at those closest to them because they feel hurt or betrayed by them?
    This case has probably gotten to me more so than any other that I've read of.

    I think it really emphasizes the need for all of Christianity to recognize how badly we need to emphasize the importance of treating each other with love, and to take spousal abuse, including mental, very seriously and do what they can to prevent it. It's SO easy in Christianity for men to feel they must "lay down the law" and for women to feel they must "shutup and take it".

    If you don't take a stand against it, you're a liberal who buys into all that new age psycho-analytic mumbo jumbo about "feelings", right? Get a thicker skin, be a big kid, deal with it, you married him/her, God said to stay and put up with it quietly and not tell others your problems, be cheerful and things will get better, etc..

    siiiiiiiiigggggggggghhhhhhhhhh
     
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    I would like to look into the availability of shelters & help for this woman. If there were none, I'd like to see her get 15 years. Maybe less.

    If it's proven that she planned this, then I'd have to go with capital murder, that's my conviction.

    If she killed him to get out of an abusive relationship, after seeking help and getting none, how can we give her life ?
     
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    She committed murder, probably in the second-degree; I think she should receive the appropriate sentence. Like Bro. Curtis said fifteen years should be close to what is required in this case. However, if it can be proven that she murdered her husband with premeditation she should at the least get life without the possibility of parole, if not the death penalty.
     
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    From the news story it appears that she and her husband were arguing over subjects that couples everywhere argue over regularly.

    Based on this information, if I was passing sentence, then I would say to hang her, hang her high.
     
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    From her statement she was clear headed enough to consider how loud the gun would be. This isnt insanity it is poor character. This requires justice. She made an educated decision, knowing right from wrong. It is sad. Sad for the children, his parents, for her own future. I am sorry to hear of this.
     
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    Agree. I always think it is convenient to blame dead people whom you killed for your actions when they are no longer available to defend themselves.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    Of course, Jesus pointed his finger at those who crucified Him and said, Get them, Father, and hang the wretches high,,that'll teach them...

    "forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do." I love the Christian spirit. It sure has the world beat all hollow.

    Jim
     
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    nough said!
     
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    Here endeth the first lesson.............but what was it about?

    Cheers,

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    Alright, forgive her and let her go. Maybe give her a new suit of clothes and a lollipop on her way out. In fact, let's do that for every convict or suspect. That's your way of it; right?
     
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    All our actions have consequences. This lady took somebody else's life--that's murder--Yes, we should forgive, but there are consequences which she alone has to pay for her crime.

    It said in one of those news articles that her husband was shot in the back--that is NOT self defense--not sure if the murder was pre-meditated---I would lean toward second degree murder rather than first degree with malice aforethought.
     
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    Honestly, if we have that kind of "Christian" justice in the world, we better build little fortresses for ourselves!
     
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    One might be surprised at how many pastor's wives feel trapped and would just as soon their husbands were not in ministry and take care of his own problems first.
     
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    He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose."
    ....Jim Elliott


    Anyone ever read how Betty Elliot felt about the Auca Indians who killed her husband and four other missionaries in cold blood? Ever read about her attitude toward those killers? In short, she helped lead them to Jesus Christ and further teach them about God's love. She exemplified the Christian life and attitude in the very face of murder.

    All I am saying is that this woman acted under duress beyond her understanding. She needs more than condemnation, she needs medical, social and spiritual help. To use one sentence, what would 15 years in prison do other than confine behind bars?

    I just don't understand.....the more I read the more I understand the world's attitude toward the fundamentalist churches and the legalistic attitudes.

    Cheers,

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    There is a significant difference between personal forgiveness and state action. The state is not performing it's God-given responsibility to punish evil if it allows a murderer to go free.
     
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