Pat Robertson

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  1. Ps104_33

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    It is true that people in leadership positions need to weigh their words. But there are some on this board who will jump at the chance to find fault in someone because he is a Christian. I am by no means a follower of Pat Robertson mainly because of his theological views. But I agree with him politically. Lets look at some of his accomplishments.

    Christian Broadcasting Network

    Operation Blessing International Relief and Development Corporation (founded by Mr. Robertson in 1978, is a non-profit relief and development organization with a mission statement "to demonstrate God's love by alleviating human need and suffering in the United States and around the world." OBI has touched the lives of more than 175 million people in 96 countries and all 50 U.S. states, distributing more than $750 million in goods. To help break the cycle of suffering, OBI implements programs that focus on the primary goals of providing hunger relief, medical aid, disaster relief, and community development that will make a significant, long-term impact on those in need.)


    Regent University(founded in 1977 by Robertson, who serves as its president and chancellor. Regent is a fully accredited graduate university that offers degrees in business, communication & the arts, divinity, education, government, law, organizational leadership, and psychology & counseling. In addition, Regent offers a bachelor's degree completion program. Regent University is accredited by the Commission on Colleges of the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools to award the bachelor’s, master’s, and doctor’s degrees, and has an enrollment of nearly 3,000 students. In addition to the main campus in Virginia Beach, Regent has a Graduate Center in Northern Virginia/D.C. and offers programs online via their Worldwide Campus.


    American Center for Law and Justice(Robertson is founder and president of the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ), a public interest law firm and education group that defends the First Amendment rights of people of faith. The law firm focuses on pro-family, pro-liberty, and pro-life cases nationwide.)


    The Flying Hospitol Inc.

    The Family Channel(which was later sold to Fox who sold it to Disney. Robertson is also a good businessman)

    In 1948 he enlisted in the U.S. Marine Corps Reserve. After graduating magna cum laude with a Bachelor of Arts degree from Washington and Lee in 1950, Robertson served as the assistant adjutant of the First Marine Division in combat in Korea. He was promoted to first lieutenant in 1952 upon his return to the United States. Robertson received a juris doctor degree from Yale University Law School in 1955 and a master of divinity degree from New York Theological Seminary in 1959.


    Robertson is the author of 15 books, including The Ten Offenses, Bring It On, Six Steps To Revival, The Turning Tide, The New Millennium, The New World Order, and his first fiction, The End of the Age. The Secret Kingdom was number three on Time magazine’s national non-fiction list. The New World Order was number four on the New York Times’ non-fiction list of America’s best selling books. The Secret Kingdom, Answers to 100 of Life’s Most Probing Questions, and The New World Order were each in their respective year of publication the number one religious book in America.

    I could go on and on but that will do for now.

    BTW....... what have you done?
     
  2. Brian30755

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    I send him $20 a month.
     
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    Pat Robertson's military service an excerpt from http://www.schlatter.org/liquor.htm
    The Liquor Officer,
    or
    Pat Robertson
    Goes to War
    Summary. Televangelist Pat Robertson, founder of the "Christian Coalition" and host of the daily "700 Club" television program, is a fraud and a liar. And don't bother to tell me that he is forgiven and that makes it right. Pat continues to defraud people and lie, even on his "Christian" broadcasting network.

    I am a retired Army colonel. I served 28 years in uniform, including service in Vietnam. Many of my friends were killed or wounded in Vietnam. There is a special bond between men who have served in combat and God save the fool who tries to pass himself off as a combat soldier when he is not. That's exactly what Pat Robertson tried to do when he ran for President in 1986.

    Quoted below is an excerpt from the book The Most Dangerous Man in America: Pat Robertson and the Rise of the Christian Coalition, by Robert Boston (Prometheus Books, published in 1996). In this excerpt, we learn that Robertson's claims to have served in combat in Korea are a lie -- his father, a US senator, intervened to keep him out of combat. In fact, Pat served in the rear where he consorted with whores and made regular trips to Japan to purchase liquor for the rest of the officers in the rear, hence his title "Liquor Officer."
     
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    Some more liberal claptrap. They said the same thing about Reagan. So what.
     
  5. Rocko9

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    This ain't about liberalism or conservatism .
    Psalm104_33 please debate the topic.
     
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    Nobody's perfect. And yes he is forgiven. Jesus' blood cleanses from all sin. Or dont they teach that where you go to church.
     
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    Nobody's perfect. And yes he is forgiven. Jesus' blood cleanses from all sin. Or dont they teach that where you go to church. </font>[/QUOTE]Psalm 104_33
    My original post is stated as an excerpt these are not my words but the words of the author who wrote them. Please check out the site.
     
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    From the
    The Virginian-Pilot, USA
    Aug. 21, 2005
    Bill Sizemore

    Pat Robertson’s “age-defying” diet shake isn’t just a philanthropic endeavor anymore. Now the televangelist is looking to turn a profit from it.

    After four years of touting the benefits of his weight-loss shake via his nonprofit Christian Broadcasting Network and sending the recipe to any viewer who asked for it, Robertson has licensed the shake for national distribution by General Nutrition Corp., a Pittsburgh-based health-food chain.

    Robertson says he is exercising his right to engage in a business venture, but an evangelical watchdog group says he is abusing his nonprofit status.

    Along the way, Robertson has hooked up with some colorful characters – Phil Busch, for example.

    At the root of the controversy is Pat’s Diet Shake, which Robertson has licensed for national distribution after years of giving the recipe away on his nonprofit TV network.

    Busch thought he was going to be Robertson’s Jared. The Texas bodybuilder dreamed of inspiring millions of Robertson’s viewers to lose weight drinking the evangelist’s shake, just like Jared Fogle did for Subway sandwiches.

    Busch says he lost 198 pounds in 15 months drinking Robertson’s concoction, leading to an on-camera interview with the Virginia Beach-based broadcaster on the daily TV show “The 700 Club” last month.

    But Busch’s hopes have been dashed by the crosscurrents of commerce. The man commercially hawking Robertson’s shake is Pittsburgh bodybuilder Dave Hawk, who’s affiliated with GNC.

    Now Busch is hopping mad – all 210 muscular pounds of him – and the recriminations are flying.

    Busch says Robertson played him for a sucker, using him to hype his product when it was a nonprofit venture and then dropping him like a hot, carb-filled potato when he went commercial. Robertson and Hawk say they’ve been publicly maligned by Busch and have threatened legal action.

    A multimillionaire religious broadcaster and former presidential candidate, Robertson added “health-food promoter” to his wide-ranging resume when he introduced “Pat’s Age-Defying Shake” to viewers in August 2001.

    Robertson, now 75, said in a 2002 interview with The Virginian-Pilot that he devised the recipe himself after he turned 60 and began studying the connections among nutrition, aging and health.

    Robertson says 1.5 million people have requested the recipe, which includes ingredients such as safflower oil, protein powder and vinegar.

    One of them was Busch, 41, a resident of suburban Dallas who bills himself as a bodybuilder, fitness trainer and motivational speaker. He says he weighed 410 pounds when he saw Robertson promoting his shake on TV in 2003 and decided to give it a try.

    By following Robertson’s diet in conjunction with an exercise program, Busch says, he lost 198 pounds and turned himself into a mass of muscle without using steroids or other drugs. Last year, he placed eighth in an International Natural Bodybuilding Association competition.

    I n the spring of 2005, Robertson launched a 12-week Weight Loss Challenge on “The 700 Club,” suggesting viewers slim down with exercise and a healthy diet, including two daily doses of his shake.

    When Busch heard about the challenge, he sent before-and-after pictures of himself to CBN.

    “They were ecstatic,” Busch said in an interview. “They wanted to put my pictures on TV. I said OK.”

    Robertson showed the pictures to viewers early in the Weight Loss Challenge and included them in a commercial that ran for several weeks promoting the program.

    Shortly before the end of the Weight Loss Challenge, Busch said, his wife noticed a GNC store display promoting a new product. Robertson’s weight-loss shake had been turned into a powdered mix in a can: nine servings for $21.99.

    In large type on the front of the can, the product is labeled “Pat’s Diet Shake.” In smaller type on the back, it is identified as “Dr. Pat Robertson’s Diet Shake.”

    Robertson is not a medical doctor, but he does have a law degree , known formally as a juris doctor, from Yale Law School.

    At the end of the Weight Loss Challenge in July, CBN flew Busch to Virginia Beach for a “700 Club” interview with Robertson. On the show, Robertson introduced Busch as “Exhibit A-plus” for his diet plan and asked if he used his shake.

    “Absolutely, and it’s very essential and it helps tremendously,” Busch replied. “Matter of fact, now I just go to the GNC and get the weight-loss shake.”

    Busch says that representatives of Robertson’s organization led him to believe that he might be able to get a contract as a national spokesman for the shake, but that nothing came of those discussions. He is bitter about being elbowed aside by Hawk, the bodybuilder affiliated with GNC.

    “I’m the one that lost 198 pounds,” Busch said. “I felt like an idiot. I felt used.

    “All I was trying to do was inspire people. I did it for the viewers – not to help Pat Robertson make money.”

    Hawk, a former Mr. USA and Mr. World, made two appearances on “The 700 Club” during the Weight Loss Challenge. On his second appearance, he wore a shirt bearing the GNC logo.

    On his Web site, which promotes Robertson’s shake, Hawk says he “works extensively with General Nutrition Corp . in a variety of capacities.”

    Busch has posted a broadside on his own Web site disavowing his endorsement of the shake: “I do not endorse this product and in no way should you expect the results I have achieved by consuming this product alone.”

    In a written reply to an inquiry from The Virginian-Pilot, Louis A. Isakoff, an attorney representing Robertson, characterized Busch’s allegations as “bizarre, completely untrue and sadly mistaken.”

    Isakoff wrote that Busch was never offered an endorsement contract by Robertson or CBN. He said Robertson licensed his name and shake recipe to Basic Organics Inc., a Columbus, Ohio-based manufacturer that produces the product and distributes it in GNC stores.

    “Dr. Robertson, as a private individual, certainly has the right to engage in personal business ventures,” Isakoff wrote.

    Hawk is a consultant for Basic Organics, which handles advertising for the product.

    Although ads for the shake have appeared immediately before the program on some stations, Isakoff said CBN has turned down requests by Basic Organics and GNC to advertise on “The 700 Club.”

    Robertson’s shake recipe is still available on the CBN Web site. Alongside it is this advice: “You can purchase health supplements and shake products from high quality health food stores, like GNC.”

    The commercialization of Robertson’s shake drew fire from the Trinity Foundation, a Dallas-based religious media watchdog organization. Trinity has been critical of past Robertson business ventures, such as his African gold and diamond mines and Kalo-Vita, a multi level marketing company that sold vitamins and cosmetics.

    Ole Anthony, Trinity’s president, said Robertson improperly used his tax-exempt, nonprofit ministry to create a market for his shake.

    “It wouldn’t exist unless it was promoted on the donor-paid-for airtime,” he said
     
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    Whatever his military record is...it is. He may be saved and I believe he probably is, but he is a very poor ambassador for Jesus Christ, and for his movement to stay credible in Christendom, he must leave it as soon as possible. This was the last straw in my book. He must stay silent, because he is unable to control himself.

    We Christains seem to have a knack for shooting ourselves in the foot, by engaging the mouth without the brain.
     
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    ==Even though I am no fan of Robertson I don't think those "sources" rise to the level of acceptable. They are clearly heavily biased. We must depend upon sources that can be verified.

    Your other article seems to be based on the testimony of a man (Busch) who has a beef with Robertson (something about how he thought he would become the spokesman for Robertson's shake? silly). I can't trust that article because the main source seems overly biased.

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    ==We must turn OFF the 700 club. We can't continue to support, via our viewing, a man who can't seem to control his tongue.

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    You said:
    Wikipedia.com is not biased in my opinion.

    ==Well I hate to bust your bubble but we are all biased! It is just a matter of what bias you are biased with :eek: .

    As for the article it is clear that they hold a anti-christian position (not just a anti-Robertson position). I cite their section titled, "Attacks on feminism, homosexuality, and liberalism". I think all Biblical Christians agree with Robertson and Falwell on sin, judgment, and hell. Btw, I don't put Falwell and Robertson in the same camp.

    Part of the info came from, " In chapter 12 of his book, "The Taking of Hill 610 And Other Essays on Friendship" ASIN: B0006OZPKA, Paul "Pete" McCloskey, Jr." who "asserts" various things (that we don't know to be true). The things are "that Robertson served in Korea as the "liquor officer" responsible for keeping the officers' clubs supplied with liquor. There, McCloskey claims, Robertson was known to drink and to frequent prostitutes." It still seems a bit too dependent upon anti-Robertson sources.

    Martin.
     
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    Well Martin you are right about all of us being biased so you won't find the kind of news you want to hear. Given Pat Robertson's track record I would not trust him as far as I could throw the guy. The truth is out there, you can choose to believe or contiue on the course you are going on.
     
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    I don't know, nor do I really care, about Robertson's past. Robertson's statements stand on their own, for better or for worse (in this case). What he did way back when seems highly unimportant.

    Martin.
     
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    Robertson,s original comments didnt bother me at all. I didnt even bat an eye. What really bothers me now is his backpedaling. He should stick with his comment if he really believes it. But you all are treating him as if he were worse than a drug dealer or porn peddler.
     
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    I agree, Ps.104_33! Robertson was just thinking out loud, which I think that a 75 year old man has the right to do. It is not that we do not consider such things legally within our government, so he seems to have been making the suggestion that we deal with this enemy of the free world. As you know, the threat of Hugo Chávez Frías has concerned me recently--his list of human rights abuse is very long. I especially dislike Chávez's racial remarks about the American Secretary of State.
     
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    I don't doubt his Christianity, nor do I care about his past military antics. I care for the image he creates of Christ. He is a very influencial Christian who's not got the proper control over his mouth. We all have quirks such as he does but we must measure out thoughts carefully before verbalizing them. He has a long record of verbal diarrhea.

    His 700 club has nothing for me, and never has.
     
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    Hillclimber, we went wrong in Latin America when Kennedy promised air support for the Cubans at the Bay of Pigs and then doublecrossed them and let them die under communist guns.

    Comandante Castro took the 3rd richest economy in Latin America and made it the worst. He discarded the Cuban constitution of 1940. His record of human rights abuse is the worst in Latin America.

    Now Comandante Castro has a new friend in Presidente Hugo Chávez Frías, who is engaged with the forces that seek violently to overthrow the good government of Colombia.

    President Bush met very recently with President Uribe of Colombia at the Bush ranch in Texas.

    I believe that we are beginning to deal with Venezuela militarily. However, I do not think that we need to use the option that Clinton restored correctly.

    With Commandant Castro approaching his 80th birthday, he must be fearful of his own friends.

    If Bush could free Cuba, that would be celebratory, wouldn't it?
     
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    Castro has a younger brother just as bad or worse, ready to take over.
    Yes I'd love to see Cuba free.
     

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