Pats' Hernandez arrested at his home

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    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/hernandez-custory-home-handcuffs-article-1.1382767

    NORTH ATTLEBORO, Mass. – New England Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez was led out of his house in handcuffs by law enforcement officials Wednesday morning.

    Hernandez, 23, has been at the center of a homicide investigation into the death of 27-year-old Odin Lloyd. Police twice executed search warrants inside Hernandez's home in the last week, but have been quiet about Hernandez's suspected role in the murder.

    Dave Duerson, Ray Easterling, Junior Seau, Kurt Crain, OJ Murdock, and Jevon Belcher all committed suicide after varying lengths of service in the NFL. Rae Carruth, and Robert Rozier, both former NFL players, are doing life for murder. Now we have Hernandez arrested as a key figure in the murder of another football player, semi-pro player Odin Lloyd.

    I'm not an advocate for banning the game of football or anything drastic like that. But maybe the NFL isn't telling us the whole truth about head injuries? Just a thought ...
     
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    I'm not understanding the correlation between this and head injuries. I don't think a handful of suicides and murders compared to the countless millions who have played the game over the years can be attributed to concussions. I believe that to be a modern day excuse like the world gives for every crime. Its never personal responsibility and accountability, its always a victim mentality.
     
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    Yeah, an incongruous thought. Typical liberal tactic here, trying to link two completely unrelated phenomena to justify increasingly restrictive and oppressive policies.
     
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    If I recall correctly he shot someone in the face or was accused of it while he was playing for Florida. So trouble isn't new to him. I could be wrong but I don't believe he spend much time singing in the choir on Sundays while he was in Gainesville.
     
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    These are the most obvious, headline-grabbing incidents among NFL players. There are thousands of cases of early-onset dementia, memory loss, addiction, and other mental health issues affecting former NFL players. In most cases, the incidents of the various symptoms are anywhere from eight to fifteen years earlier in onset than they are in the average population, with the exception of addictions. Those begin as self-medication for pain relief during the players' careers.

    This is not a promotion, on my part, of not taking responsibility for actions. What this is, is a complaint that the NFL knows the extent to which head injuries affect the brain and the body, and they aren't sharing for fear of bringing damage to the game's image. The league has done more head injury research than anyone outside of the United States military. There is evidence that TBI (traumatic brain injury) occurs almost immediately from the first day a young player puts on a helmet and pads. That information needs to be shared so equipment manufacturers can better develop their product so as to protect young men from beginning a lifetime of damage and regret caused by playing a game they love.
     
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    Lou Holtz and a few others believe if they went back to leather helmets and no facemask, a lot of these hit injuries would drop by a larger amount. Players wouldn't be using helmets for a weapon. I know when I played we were coached to let our head go to the left or right not into the player.
     
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    That's the difference in technique taught over the years. Believe it or not, in the late 60s, we were taught to "spear" the player right in the chest. I stopped doing that my second game at MLB when I sprained my neck trying to bring down a fullback who was about my size.

    Hard to believe anyone would be stupid enough to coach that way, or even stupider to do it.
     
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    A Pro football player complaining about a head injury is like sticking your finger in a meatgrinder and then complaining that the blades are sharper than you thought they would be.
     
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    No, the NFL hasn't been educating players about the effects of head injuries until the last couple of years or so.


    There's a difference, Rev. In the NFL's case, they denied the effects of concussions for years and didn't properly educate the players on what could happen to them by playing. That is the basis of the lawsuit against the NFL in regards to concussions.


    If we're talking about murderers like Rae Carruth, etc., I agree. If we're talking about suicides, I don't. I've seen the evidence and read the stories. You're never convincing me that the suicides of Duerson, Seau, et. al. weren't affected by their suffering concussions playing football.

    The OP wants to draw a direct line from concussions to the arrest of Aaron Hernandez. As of this writing, we don't even know why Hernandez has been arrested.
     
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    It doesn't really matter. Personal responsibility should have the first priority here. Not the blame someone else garbage. The meatgrinder company should not have to explain just how sharp the blades are., it should be understood by reasonable people. We have to use some common sense.
     
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    Can you climb down off of Mt Pious please? Lack of personal responsibility isn't the issue here. Football players have always known the dangers of getting their knees blown out and they've accepted that risk. What they didn't know is how badly concussions could hurt them.

    Hint: That's where your personal responsibility argument dies, because football players have always known the risks to their hips and knees and other joints.


    Again, this is not an apt comparison. You can look at a meatgrinder and know it's bad to put your fingers in there. Pro football players always knew their knees could be blown out and they took that risk. They didn't know they would suffer long-term brain damage from the game.
     
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    Sorry, but I don't agree. When you are playing football, you have been given the absolutely reasonable expectation that the equipment issued to you for protection of your head and extremities is sufficient to do just that. You play for years and then discover the dizzy spells you're having and the memory losses you experience after your playing days are directly related to the failure of that equipment to do the job you were told it was designed to do, you're going to be demanding some answers, and they deserve some.

    Certainly injuries are to be expected over the years, but only those injuries that you as a player have been led to believe are unpreventable should be of concern to you. Discovering the equipment is inadequate to protect you, as you had been told it would protect you, is to discover you've either been lied to all these years, or the information given you was misleading because the research that would have verified its veracity is inadequate. Either way, you want answers.

    You can argue that point if you wish, but I don't believe you can argue it effectively.

    Nonetheless, the issue is going to come up, either post mortum of the investigation, or at trial. I'm simply saying, it warrants some attention.
     
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