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Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Jailminister, Jun 18, 2004.

  1. LadyEagle

    LadyEagle <b>Moderator</b> <img src =/israel.gif>

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    Oh, I don't know, Joseph, should all Lutherans be judged by Martin Luther? He was anti-semitic, you know, too. Why are you hijacking this thread?
     
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    I am not hijacking the thread. You claim that all Muslims are either terrorists or potential terrorist. I am showing the absurdity of that belief by showing that there are extremist in all different religions who are willing to use their religion to justify all kinds of horrendous violence.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  3. LadyEagle

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    So how many hundreds do you think follow the Quran to kill the infidel? A couple hundred? A couple thousand? A couple million? How many hard-core Islamofascist extremists does it take to bring a nation to it's knees?

    And what would happen if, say, only 1 million of the Muslims in America out of the estimated 6-7 million Muslims in America, just decided to start a jihad one day? Say just 1 million of them who have graduated from the madrassas in the US combined with the muslims who are here illegally decide now is the time to take over - just start killing Americans? Start beheading Americans? Going door to door? Following in the extreme manner their Islamic religion, following the Quran? What's your scenario? First of all, who's going to stop them? Do you think the other 5-6 million Muslims would rise up against the 1 million? Or would they obey the Quran to not harm another Muslim and just do in the kaffir (non-muslims)?
     
  4. Joseph_Botwinick

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    LE,

    So you admit that not every Muslim is a terrorist or a potential terrorist? Are we at war with Islam or radical extremists in Islam? What would happen if the White Supremacists and neo nazis in our country rose up one day and decided to fight a war to reinstate slavery and commit the next shoah here in America? I guess anything could concievably happen, couldn't it?

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    The numbers aren't there, Joseph. The numbers aren't there for that to happen.
     
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    How do you know?

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  7. LadyEagle

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    I just know the total combined population of Nazis, skin heads, KKK, and other white hate groups isn't as high as the total Muslim population in the US.

    Besides that, you've just brought a straw man into this debate which I will quickly blow over by stating that David Duke of the KKK has aligned himself with the Muslims.

    Here's a link to a group that monitors the hate groups:

    http://www.adl.org/adl.asp

    You'll note that currently they are saying Muslim media in the US has become more and more anti-semitic. :( (no surprise there)

    Oh, BTW, I was just told by our friend in another forum I need to take the American flag off my avatar and just leave the Israeli flag on. So between the two of you, I'm about ready to log off before I get mean. ;)
     
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    Exactly how do you know this? How many neo Nazis do you think it would take to commit a terrorist attack against the local synagogue and unite racist extremists of all types across America?

    Besides that, you've just brought a straw man into this debate which I will quickly blow over by stating that David Duke of the KKK has aligned himself with the Muslims.[/QUOTE]

    He has aligned himself with Muslim EXTREMISTS . And even that is simply mere strategy and manipulation on his part. They have a common enemy, even though, they, themselves are actually enemies. Again, not all Muslims are terrorists or potential terrorists, just as not all Christians are Klan members or neo nazis.

    Here's a link to a group that monitors the hate groups:

    http://www.adl.org/adl.asp

    You'll note that currently they are saying Muslim media in the US has become more and more anti-semitic. :( (no surprise there)
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    Yes. I have been noting this for quite a while. However, I don't think that even Abraham Foxman and the Anti-Defamation League would go as far as to say that all Muslims are terrorists or potential terrorists. They are obviously talking about Islamic Extremists.

    Oh, BTW, I was just told by our friend in another forum I need to take the American flag off my avatar and just leave the Israeli flag on. So between the two of you, I'm about ready to log off before I get mean. ;) [/QUOTE]

    I am not sure who "our friend" is. I am certainly happy to see both the American and Israeli flag on your avatar. Why you would lump me in with someone about something I don't agree with is beyond me. Is this a pattern with you of judging a whole group of people by the actions of some from their group? You really got to stop that now. [​IMG]

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  9. LadyEagle

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    Joseph, sometimes you are just too serious for your own good. [​IMG]

    If I judged a whole group of people by the actions of some of their group, and all I had to go on were some of the posts on the BB, I would stop being Baptist, LOL. :D [​IMG] ;)
     
  10. Bro.Bill

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    How many are not terrorists that you can swear and attest to?How many would just stand by that you can swear and attest to? How many would join in that you can swear and attest to? How many would come to the defense o the american public that you can swear and attest to? All questions to which there are no answers.We don't know.What we do know is there are terrorist in our country. We need to find a way to effectively deal with it.
     
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    While I understand the concern, we survived the KKK, whose membership at one time was about 5 million, and who did plenty of damage to the nation.
     
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    Read my fourth post on this page for more information.

    http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/32/1912.html

    I am certain that there are more. But no, I have not taken a survey of every Muslim in the world as to whether or not they are terrorists. Have you?

    Also, look at John's post at this link:

    http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/10/4112/3.html

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    Dear Bro. Joe.
    That was not my point. My point was simple there are to many things we don't know and need to find out.I would think a survey like you have in mind to answer the questions we all have would be the work of Homeland security.I bet they know a lot more than we do.But as I also said we do need to figure out how to handle this .
     
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    I think we have figured out how to handle it. Unfortunately, it is going to cost us some pain, time, and patience. This is something that most Americans are not willing to pay in this day and time and I feel as if the terrorists are playing on those weaknesses with every terror attack they make. They are turning us against our own government and against the people who we are there to help and who are on our side. The more we divide among ourselves and don't unite behind our president, the more we try to blame all Muslims for the actions of extremists, the more they win. We divide ourselves and they conquer. Think about it.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  15. Bro.Bill

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    I think America has become a bunch of sprinters instead of marathoners when it comes to solving any kind of problem.
    We can handle any war that lasts less than 30 days then we leave.To bad we don't learn we have to see things through.
     
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    Exactly. This is why we must unite behind the President and not give the terrorists what they want. It will be painful, but we must stand strong and be patient.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  17. Bro.Bill

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    AMEN & AMEN
     
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