Paying Your Fair Share of Tax is Patriotic: so says Biden

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  1. righteousdude2

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    Joe Biden, in a recent interview [shown on Neil Cavuto's FOX News Show]confirmed that Obama has been doing the "DC two step" around the cut off point for new tax, for several months now. Obama continues to argue that there is no magic point at which his new tax will effect people with higher tax bracket. Well, Biden admitted it was $250.000.00. But, Biden didn't stop there. No he didn't. He went on to say that those paying this new tax is a "patriotic" thing.

    Patriotic? Patriotic? Does that mean that citizens like myself, who pay no tax, because their incomes are TOO low, are less patriotic, or, dare I say, not patriotic "enough", if patriotic at all??? My income puts me in the "Obama non-patriotic bracket". I guess I'm no longer patriotic because forced medical retirement income from SSDI and PERS does not put me on the fast track to being Donald Trump's financial rival.:laugh:

    And while the media is holding their collective breath, waiting to ponce on Sarah Palin when and if she makes a gigantic speaking gaffe. The liberal media has all but glossed over Biden's "patriotic" gaffe, and have yet to toss it into the race as a major "talking point." However, a few more gaffes like this, and Obama may have to place Biden off-limits to the media, ala McCain and Palin.

    What a bunch of two-faced, biased reporters and journalists we have reporting the news in this nation. It is clear to me that the majority of the media is for Obama, and not too secretly hoping that McCain and Palin mess up bad enough to lose in November.

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  2. Revmitchell

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    Only in a communist state is wealth redistribution "Patriotic"
     
  3. Bible-boy

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    I prefer to show my "patriotism" by giving and serving through my local church. Government can help by just getting out of the way!
     
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    I agree a patriot should pay a percentage to keep gov't running. That percentage should be zero.
     
  5. Salty

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    A military member makes some $ 1,000 a month that he pays NO TAX on. This would include housing allowance, rations (food) clothing allowance - to name some. Thats at least $ 100 a month Sarge saves in taxes per month.

    Now is he less patriotic because of that?

    Salty

    PS if he reups in Iraq (combat zone) and gets a $30,000 bonus - guess what - thats right no taxes.

    Not complaining - in fact, I'm all for it!
     
  6. Gold Dragon

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    I agree that not paying taxes or not wanting to pay taxes is not a sign of lack of patriotism.

    But I think not wanting to pay taxes or for the rich being unwilling to pay their share of taxes can be a problem with our understanding of "ownership". It is very similar to offering.

    We often think of our income as something we "earn" and therefore it is "ours" to do with as we please.

    But I think a biblical understanding of finances recognizes that our income is something given to us by God. Part of that comes from the society that God has placed us in that allows us to make that kind of income.

    Things in society that contribute to our income include
    1) laws aimed to curb corruption and criminal activity
    2) the investment of previous generations to create stable industries and businesses
    3) investment in education, research, infrastructure and technologies to allows our jobs to exist and be available to us
    4) leadership to provide stability and change when needed
    5) healthy individuals who can work and contribute

    I am in the top income bracket and would love to pay less taxes. But I think the "no government" attitude is part of an unhealthy extreme individualism that has crept into modern society over the last hundred years.
     
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    I'm not advocating for "no government." However, I am against the idea that government has to take money from me in order to redistribute it to the needy. My church is very active with using "social" ministry as a platform for carrying the gospel to the needy in our community. Like I said, if it is "patriotic" to give to the needy then I prefer to do so through giving and serving in my local church. Government could best help, on that front, by simply getting out of the way.
     
  8. Salty

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    The questions is "WHAT IS FAIR"

    In my view, everyone paying the same percentage is fair. Whether you make $100 a week, or $100 a minute, everyone should pay the rate

    Better yet, I propose we go to the electronic tax!
     
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    It is just simply false that if it doesn't get done through the government it doesn't get done. The god of the libs is government. They look to their god (government) to provide all their needs.
     
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    I think if churches were more active in this area, the government could be less active in it.

    But I also think it is in the financial interest of government, society and rich people that we have poor people that are wealthier. That results in reduced crime, healthier people/workers, better educated people/workers, stronger economy and more money for everyone, including the rich people. While some of the methods of wealth redistribution may be faulty and counterproductive to the goals, I am not against the concept on principle.
     
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    I think it is fair that the wealthy, I am one of them, pay more. I have gained a lot more from my society than those less wealthy than me. That relationship is not a linear one like a flat tax would be.
     
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    I have to admit, I'm ashamed at Joe for this comment. Even worse, he tried to defend his stupidity. It's as dumb as that thank you for voluntary compliance statement in the front of the tax book.
     
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    Hey! Two things we agree on!:thumbs:
     
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    It is "right" to pay your fair share of taxes. If being "right" is patriotic then paying your fair share of taxes is patriotic. I believe the Bible teaches us to tithe. 10%. The problem with the McCain tax cuts he proposes is that in 2009 the bottom 1/5 get a .2% tax cut, the middle 1/5 get a .7% tax cut, the rich(over 5 Million) get a 4.4 % tax cut. In 2012 it goes to .9% for bottom 1/5, 3.1% for middle 1/5, the rich get 11.6% tax cut. As a retired(bottom 1/5) person, I don't understand why my tax cut would be about 13 times less percentage wise than John and Cindy McCain. This would be about $100 for me and $680,000 for the McCains.
     
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    Paying extra taxes are patriotic? Work is also patriotic, so long as it is ethical, legal, and moral. I think everyone should be required to work, unless a 3-doctor panel finds them incapable of doing anything.

    So, I propose that all taxes paid to support the poor be earned by them on a fair and equal basis, so that they can be patriotic too.

    1. Food stamps for the month--five mornings sweeping the streets of your town. Equal pay for the women who watch the kids of the sweepers

    2. Medicaid Card and AFDC--five afternoons doing some of the following:

    a. Cleaning the toilets of all public buildings

    b. Cutting the grass for all municipal property

    c. Washing the windows of all muicipal buildings.

    d. Washing police cars, Fire trucks and EMT vehicles.

    e. Painting over grafitti.

    g. cleaning school hallways.

    Patriotism for all!

    The self esteem that comes from work beats anything Oprah can give you.
     
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    Elect Obama and everyone will get the chance to increase their level of patriotism.

    Biden is an idiot.
     
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    This is a thought that I heard from someone else. They were discussing what is a fair percentage of income to be taxed? He said about 10% total (federal, state, local), since that was the OT tithe for the nation-state Israel. That sounds like a good number to me. As it is now, we pay anywhere from 30-60% of our income in taxes, which is outright ridiculous.
     
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    i sent in my quaterlies this past week...if that is patriotism, i don't know if i want to be patriotic anymore.
    Our entire tax system is worthless, it needs to be scrapped, torn up and thrown out. There has to be a better way that is more fair and with less loopholes.
    Now i need to go dig up a turnip to get enough blood out of it for my state quarterlies.
     
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    Does that mean that Patrick Henry, Sam Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and the rest of our Founding Fathers were not patriotic? They didnt seem to thrilled about paying taxes either.
     
  20. Salty

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    I would add one item. Able body personnel as indicated above would receive their "benefits" following their monthly drill for State Guard / Defense drills. See link for State Guard Association of the US

    I request I be authorized to include your post on my website.

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