Featured PB's monergism vs. Reformed's monergism.

He said that SOME dead shall hear his voice, wouldn't thsoe be the ones God granted 'ears to hear Him with?"

 

This verse does not say that, now you are adding to the word of God.

The verse says those dead that hear shall be made alive. It absolutely refutes your false view that the spiritually dead are unable to hear the word of God.

Again, you just keep teaching falsehood and see where you end up.

 

Did jesus say that ONLY His sheep wouuld hear his voice, while the rest follow false shepherds?

did he not tells his disciples that the mysteries of his kingdom were ONLY given to those whom was intended for, his own, while rest stayed deaf and dumb?

 

Where do the scriptures say only the sheep would hear Jesus? Show the scripture.

Jesus said the DEAD shall hear his voice, and I have showed you the scripture. And those dead that hear will be made alive.

The point is, Total Inability is completely false, Jesus himself clearly says the spiritually dead shall hear him. Your doctrine is false. Jesus did not say a person must be regenerated or made alive to be able to hear, he said those dead that hear him shall live. Hearing precedes life.

Jesus said to take heed how ye hear, to those that will hear, more shall be given.

Mar 4:24 And he said unto them, Take heed what ye hear: with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you: and unto you that hear shall more be given.

As you see, if a person will listen, then Jesus will give them more.

You teach false doctrine.

 

Those who are sinners cannot choose to come to chrsit on their own, as its ONLY when the father grants them the means by the HS that they can hear and respond by receicing jesus by faith!

Uness the HS quickens and enables sinners to respond, the message keeps falling on deaf ears, and dead hearts!

 

Is this how they teach in Reformed churches? They just tell you things and expect you to take their word for it? Show scripture that supports this. Show where the scriptures say a man must be regenerated by the Holy Spirit before they have the ability to hear and believe the gospel.

I have already showed you scripture that Jesus himself said the spiritually dead shall hear his voice, and those dead that hear shall live. Hearing precedes being regenerated and being made alive.

If you are not going to show scripture, then I will not respond to you again.

 

John 15:16
You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you.
John

Really, the entire Gospel of john is calvinistic in tone, probably second best to romans itself to study and learn from !

 

Wow, you posted scripture! It does not prove total inability at all, but at least you posted a verse.

You have to be be kidding that the book of John supports Calvinism. I can probably find more scripture in John that completely refutes Calvinism than any other book in the Bible. John 20:31 is a perfect example.

Jhn 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

John 20:31 says that a person must believe to have life or be regenerated. This absolutely refutes Calvinism. There are many other verses that all say a person must first believe to have life in the book of John.

The book of John does not support Calvinism whatsoever.

 

Winman, didn't you know that Calvin wrote the book of John? Why do you think it was named the book of John? :laugh:

 

While I disagree with you on some aspects of doctrines of grace, I am adamently sure Calvin did not possess the character to deserve his name being attached to any doctrine. The name makes me cringe. Yes, he probably wrote the book of John at night and used the light from Micheal Servetus's execution.

 

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Bunyan
Edwards
Owen
Machen
Gill
MacArthur
Piper
Dagg
Knox

Everybody knows if your name is John, you have to be a calvinist! :laugh:

 

Then why do they name toilets, "The John"?:laugh:

 

Yet another repeat of a Calvinistic falsehood. Was any scripture cited? Nope. What does John 6:37 say: 37 Everyone the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will never cast out.

How does God give someone to Christ? By spiritually placing them in Christ. Therefore all given in this manner arrive in Christ such that they will not be cast out. If this verse referred to someone choosing to trust in Christ, then the verse would read, I will allow them in. Not how it reads. So a misinterpretation.

And again what verse says God grants us the means (i.e. irresistible grace) to understand the milk of the gospel. No scripture was cited. What does Philippians 1:29 says: 29 For to you it has been granted for Christ’s sake, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake....
How was this granted or allowed? God's revealing grace, the milk of the gospel. No irresistible grace, just the account of Christ's birth, life, death, and resurrection.

Again and again, Calvinism revises the text to pour their man-made doctrine into scripture.

 

Van, we all know you can't read so I'm not writing this to you but for the benefit of others. The topic of this thread is PB monergism vs. Calvinistic monergism. If you want to start a thread maybe it could be Finney's system of works righteousness vs. John Wesley's system of works righteousness. Then you, Winman, Thomas Helwys and others could discuss your crud there.

 

Here is what I posted addressing monergism:

The point made with sarcasm is that the monergism of either group does not make any sense and conflicts with scripture.

The point of the OP was that the Reformed view was not as monergistic as the PB view because the PB accepted that a person has no responsibility to respond. Therefore both views are absurd.