Pentecostals

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  1. jacob62

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    I do not know anything about Pentecostal doctrine or practice.Could you folks kindly fill me in on their differences or error? Thanx
     
  2. Ben W

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    The difference that comes to mind right away?
    The "speaking in tongues." :eek:

    I don't see how their views on "tongue talking" conform to what Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 14. :confused:
     
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    Let's not do the tongues thing again!!

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    Working for Jesus,

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    The difference that comes to mind right away?
    The "speaking in tongues." :eek:

    I don't see how their views on "tongue talking" conform to what Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 14. :confused:
    </font>[/QUOTE]The confusion regarding the two types of tongues is explained in Scripture. Go to the Strong's and look up the word "gift" used in Acts 2:38 (this was referring to the sign of tongues as the initial evidence of the infilling of the Holy Ghost that had just happened before Peter delivered his Acts 2 sermon.)

    The Greek word for "gift" as in "ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost", is dorea , designating the free, unmerited gift of salvation given only by God.

    Now go to 1 Corinthians 12 where Paul begins speaking of the spritual gifts that should be in operation in the Church. Look up the word used for "gift" in this reference and not surprisingly, it derives from a differnt Greek word than the translation in Acts 2:38.

    The Greek word used for "gift" in Corinthians is charisma, meaning a spiritual endowment given to believers.

    In short, you cannot have the charisma gift of tongues unless you have first experienced the dorea gift of tongues. The dorea gift of tongues is that which accompanies the infilling of the Holy Ghost, and the charisma gift of tongues is given by God to some, but not all, believers, as Paul attests when he asks the question, "Do all speak with tongues?"

    The same Spirit provides the utterance and operation of both kinds of tongues, but they are very different in purpose.

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    Interesting website. I wonder if the PFWB split from a more traditional Baptist denomination? It seemed more Pentecostal than Baptist. I was surprised that they don't subscribe to the more traditional Baptist view of perseverance of the saints.
     
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    Originally posted by Ben W:
    Here is a website you could try -

    http://www.pfwb.org
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    Interesting website. I wonder if the PFWB split from a more traditional Baptist denomination? It seemed more Pentecostal than Baptist. I was surprised that they don't subscribe to the more traditional Baptist view of perseverance of the saints.

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    they have a motorcyle club for Jesus, but it said that no WOF people need apply.

    so it's more conservative than not!!

    Peace,

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    Originally posted by PatsFan:

    "I wonder if the PFWB split from a more traditional Baptist denomination? It seemed more Pentecostal than Baptist. I was surprised that they don't subscribe to the more traditional Baptist view of perseverance of the saints."

    The PFWB, like other Free Will Baptists, trace their origins to the General Baptists, who were more or less Arminian in belief.

    The particular groups that became the PFWB also became part of the Holiness movement at the turn of the century, adopting Wesleyan theology (including entire sanctification), which shows up prominently in their statement of faith.

    Those conferences also adopted Pentecostalism shortly thereafter, causing a split with other Free Will churches. Three of the conferences later merged to form the PFWB.

    The PFWB thus more closely resemble classic Pentecostalism (which was heavily influenced by the Holiness movement) and seem to maintain their Baptist identity only in polity.

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    And foot washing.
     
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    You are correct!

    In fact many argue that there are two kinds of tongues -- one of Acts 2 and another of 1Cor 14.

    However the fact that they don't even fit the 1Cor 14 model shows that they have a big problem.

    So your comment zeros in the problem "precisely".

    The second thing I like about your point - is that it does not get into denying the truths of 1Cor 12 IN ORDER to find a problem with Pentecostals!

    It simply notes the very heart of the problem without slipping into the problem in "the other ditch".

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
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    As I look at the PFWB, I like it more and more. One one hand they follow the Baptist Distinctives and are run in the same manner as the standard Baptist Church, yet the use of Spiritual Gifts are encouraged.

    Everyone focuses on tounges all the time which is a pity, because there are so many more Spirtual Gifts that God has for us, He gives those gifts to all people. Even here on the Baptist Board, those who have the gift of Hospitality are quite evident at times. Others display there teaching gift in a similar manner.

    I am all for applying Spiritual Gifts in the correct Biblical manner. What I feel is wrong is churches who teach total Cessation of all Spiritual Gifts. I think doing that attacks the Baptist Distinctive of Priesthood of the believer and tries to create a situation where the mediator becomes the leadership of the church and that is wrong. If congregation members have gives in Teaching or Evangalism, yeild the Pulpit to them, encourage them on, by doing that we will grow our church better than any purpose driven method or other popular evanglalism ideas.
     
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    I agree pretty much with Ben (as usual) however I also think that what passes for the gift of tongues today is not (nor was it ever) the gift of tongues.

    In Christ,

    Bob
     

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