People that attack Calvinism

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  1. evangelist6589

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    Someone on FB posted this CRUDE article.

    http://safeguardyoursoul.com/the-idiocy-of-calvinism/

    I disagree with this page and its attack on Calvinism by crude language and sweeping judgments. Is this author a militant KJVO? Calvinism has issues in its Eschatology and the Doctrine of Limited Atonement. Other than that I have no major objections that I can think of. I do agree with Lordship, I do agree with presuppositional evangelism, and not methods/pragmatism based evangelism often common in non Calvinism churches, etc.. Calvinism is correct on most issues so I find it Biblical for the most part.
     
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    I found this excerpt very troubling:


    Although I disagree with reformed theology, I would never go this far and say that they will be calling out to a man to save them. Neither would I even entertain the thought that they would defend Calvin more fervently than they would Jesus. This person needs to get out of their wet diaper, and put their underwear and "big boy" pants on.
     
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    :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

    This is a good example of the variability from the norm of the population. Every issue, position and group has this. This author of this article may in fact be MORE than 3 Standard deviations from the norm of his sample population.
     
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    So, you're saying that this person needs to be recalibrated? The lab tech coming out of me....:D
     
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    I think you meant to say they need to be 'recalvinated'.:laugh:
     
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    Often the loudest rhetoric in opposition to an idea comes from people who don't understand the idea. That much is clear from the link.
     
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    :laugh::laugh::laugh: This writer sounds like he is sitting alone droolling on himself....recalibrated indeed! Good one Willis!!!!
     
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    Yes, we can start with your face.
     
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    Well stated, my witty brother.
     
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    I agree with Calvin on doctrines of grace and sovereignty. However, I find the man Calvin to be disguisting and not worthy of a holy doctrine named after him. Besides being a murderer, he was a brutal dictator of a city-state theocracy. In his writings, he talks about seperation of church and state, yet he ruled in a position where both are one in the same. Calvin believed in infant Baptism. I could go on and on. Surfice to say, we need to rename the doctrine.

    I think everyone on this thread is correct, regardless of your position, this article goes way beyond the founds of decency. That is the mindset that causes heretic to be tossed around here like a football.
     
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    I have been on this forum since 2004. I have suggested on numerous occasions that those Biblical Doctrines called Calvinism should be renamed, in part because of the reasons you name S/N. However, I have also noted that the word Calvinism is used as a pejorative to many on this Forum. The term "Doctrines of Grace" have been used by myself and others but Arminians will assert they believe in the Doctrines of Grace. In my opinion an acceptable alternative might be Sovereign Grace, for certainly Salvation is only by the Sovereign Grace of God, regardless of one's opinion!

    Just still shuffling along!
     
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    One of the best suggestions I have heard. I do not know if many have bothered to study the life of Calvin, or how many have actually read his material, but I have always wondered if the life style he lead adds to the dislike of the doctrine.
     
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    your going to have to elaborate.....what do you mean by the lifestyle he (Calvin) led?
     
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    I prefer the term, "Doctrines of Grace" ....now I have individual pieces of doctrine I can examine & see how they all fit....kinda like an erector set..... now do I like it being referred to as DOG..... nope, I dont like that any more than I like the old acrostic TULIP, that needs to be modernized & corrected to properly communicate what is rightly to be conveyed.
     
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    In all this, please don't forget the origin of the TULIP was really a response to the followers of J. Arminius.
     
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    There are many people who lead a life worthy of a doctrine being named after them. Calvin was basically a power hungry thug. He murdered, ruled a theocracy like a barbarian, and supported infant baptism and other traditions including creeds that can be traced back to the RCC.


    Murder of Michael Serevetus

    http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/michael-servetus.htm


    Abuse of power

    http://etb-history-theology.blogspot.com/2012/03/execution-of-child-and-adulterers-in.html

    http://www.thirdmill.org/files/english/html/ch/CH.Arnold.RMT.8.HTML

    What makes this so disguisting is that many of Calvins writings talk about seperation of church and state. The lure of power evidentally was stronger than his beliefs, especially in light of how he ran Geneva, a theocracy.

    On infant baptism

    http://pastordougroman.wordpress.com/2012/04/25/john-calvin-was-wrong-on-infant-baptism/

    Creeds and RCC connections

    http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/calvin.pdf

    While Calvin is correct of God's sovereignty and grace, known as TULIP, the doctrine needs a name of someone or idea that is worthy to carry the banner, not a power hungry thug.
     
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    Despite his warts and blemishes, I still hope to see my brother John Calvin in glory.
     
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    Perhaps this 09 Ligonier conference will help..... Al Mohler, RC Sproul, Sinclair Ferguson all speak about the caliber of John Calvin. I find these men & their message much more credible than blanket statements like thug & murderer.

    http://www.ligonier.org/learn/conferences/the-holiness-of-god/john-calvin-2/
     
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    Ah, a more reasoned presentation on the matter.
     
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    Historical facts are facts. We do not have people burned at the stake because they differ theologically in this nation, and such a belief has no place within the norms of human decency. We are all sinners, but just do not recall being involved in murder for such a ridiculous reason. I am not one to judge someone's state of salvation, but neither am I about to defend barbarians and a total disregard for human life. This has nothing to do with a belief in Calvinism, it has to do with admiring a self centered, power hungry thug.
     

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