This thread is meant for the edification of the saints in understanding the sufficiency of Christ's sacrifice and the assurance that God has done what He said He will do. Just so no one misunderstands, this thread is not speaking of temporal life, but the eternal life we have in Christ. Jesus said, "Be ye perfect, as your Father in heaven is perfect." Is this possible for man? Yes, but it is The Author and Perfecter of our faith that makes us perfect in Him...it is not our works, because no man will stand before God and boast. Please take this seriously, and study the verses offered, putting aside your particular doctrine for awhile. We can look at scripture together (and discuss it) as brothers and sisters in Christ. Hebrews 2:10-For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect (5048) through sufferings. 5048-teleioo: from 5046; to complete, i.e. (lit.) accomplish, or (fig.) consumate (in character). Translated: consecrate, finish, fulfill, (make)perfect. 5:9-And being made perfect (5048), he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; 5:14-But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age (5046), who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. 5046-teleios:complete (in various applications of labor, growth, mental and moral character, etc.); completeness. Translated: (of) full age, man, and perfect. 6:1-Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection (5047), not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 5047-teleiotes-(the state of) completeness (ment. or mor.). Translated perfection (ness). 7:11-If therefore perfection (5050) were by the Levitical Priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should arise after the order of Melchisadec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 5050-teleiosis-; from 5048, (the act) completion, i.e. (of prophecy) verification, or (of expiation [to make amends for]); absolution [remission of sins]. 7:19-For the law made nothing perfect (5048), but the bringing in of a better hope did, by the which we draw nigh unto God. 7:28-For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated (5048) for evermore. 9:9-Which was a figure for the time present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect (5048). 10:1-For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which were offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect (5048). 10:14-For by one offering he hath perfected (5048) forever them that are sanctified. 11:39-And all these, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise. 40-God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect (5048). 12:2-Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher (5051) of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. 5051-teleiotes-from 5048; a completer, i.e. consumater: -finisher. Please look through these and see if an evident contrast of the Old and New is made clear. Would like to know your thoughts on these. God bless.