Perserverance

Because I'm saved by faith in Jesus Christ "All that come to the father will never be cast out. all the believe in Christ will have eternal life. "All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. " In other words, all the elect will come and all that come will never be cast out. All the elect will be justified. All the elect will be glorified.

 

If you have addressed it to satisfaction with Luke then I will defer to him & your discussion with him. If this is not been addressed to satisfaction....then we will go through it. I dont know what he told you.

 

Here is a few more to add to the list.
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Any who hears and opens the door.

 

The context of Revelation 3:20 is not for salvation.

 

I am listening. Please explain your thoughs on that.

 

I guess it's easier to put Winman on your ignore list since you cannot refute his cutting apart the Calvinist theology so many here seem to worship.

 

I would believe this too if I held to the Calvinist theology. I've notice that there are many scriptures you Calvinists have to twist to get them to fit your flawed theology. I would rather just believe what God said rather than what Calvin said about God. Evidently he didn't understand the commandment, Thou shall not kill!

 

The interpretation of this passage wasn't made through a Calvinistic lens. Maybe open your eyes and see the context if you can see past your hate? You constantly scour the BB to call people arrogant, condescending, scripture twisters, and spread your hate for the brethren &c. Take a look at 1 John about hate for brothers. I've had and seen enough of your drivel. It's time for you to go buh bye!!! :wavey:

 

Much like the Arminianism/Open Theism you seem to espouse. BTW, you have no right to claim you will presevere either. If salvation is yours to provide for yourself, it's yours to repudiate.

And Reformed folks believe in Preservation of the saints. God does the preserving. Typical of man-centered theology, you phrase it as perseverance, as if it depends on you. The reformed say it's of God.

 

You don't have to be Calvinist to see that by reading the Scripture in its context, it doesn't pertain to salvation. It pertains to willful error of a church.
It's you guys lifting a verse out of its context and applying it to fit your beliefs while accusing others of doing what you do.

 

Absolutely. I knew what this verse meant, years before I ever even thought about Calvinism, or better yet, looked into the words elect, predestined, foreknowledge, calling &c. They need to drop the hate and open their eyes. For them to continually misintepret the Scriptures is a fearful thing to behold. On top of that significant problem, the name-calling, the hatred, the twisting of words by them of the brethren on here, the doctrine of having a God who learns things and Who doesn't know things until they happen...oh boy...it does not paint a pretty picture.

Everything I've said about them is truth and relates to exactly what they've done. The Bible calls this fruit.

 

To whom is Christ speaking/dealing with here in Revelation 3? The churches. Not the world, not a call for the lost, a call to the churches, specifically here, a certain church, then to all of them in the context "..what the Spirit says to the churches."


I'm not going to go round and round with you and back and forth.

This, Rev. 3:20, has been applied so often that many think it is the interpretation. It is not.

 

Not so! The passage is a rebuke to a church (claimed church) that has departed and now is filled with unbelievers. The Lord never will spue His children out of His mouth. He never says of His children and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
The saved are not wretched, (that word means to be afflicted) We are healed, The saved are not blind, while we see dimly we do see. The saved are not miserable, by the way that word means "to be pitied" The saved are not poor, we have the riches of God, The saved are not blind, our eyes have been opened. None of those terms are for believers. They all however are for the lost.

Also the the Lord says:
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God,
Then again He says;
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne,
These people had not overcame.That means they were lost.
1John 2:13, 1John 2:14, 1John 4:4
Overcomers are saved children of God. These in the Revelation still need to be saved.

 

We're not in Jesus' mouth, we are in His hand, correct? He is not talking about spitting us out of His mouth, which is what you are implying.

What then does "spue" mean here?

See my response to you on 3:20.

 

I don't know what your response was, but the greek word means to vomit, vomit forth, throw up
God's children are not vomited out.
Also they are overcomers and these people were not.