There was a time that I considered myself a 4 1/2 point calvinist owing to the fact that I beieved the "P" should be "preservation" instead of "perseverance". But as I eventually came to see, this was based on a misundertanding of what perseverence means in the calvinist system. The one Bible verse that gave me problems was 1 Cor 11:30 "For this cause many [are] weak and sickly among you, and many sleep." I thought, if many died, then they didn't exactly "persevere", did they? But the reformed confessions make it clear that perseverence does not exclude the chastening of the Lord. Let us note that there is nothing in the verse I quoted that states that those that were weak and sickly, and "sleep", died in a state of unbelief. Someone said that Moses did not persevere because he did not enter the promised land. But Hebrews 11 says that Moses "endured". He was punished for his disobedience but nevertheless he persevered in faith. The doctrine of the Perseverence of the Saints simply says that no born-again child of God can re-enter his or her previous state of unbelief. Their faith can be weakened, but not annihiliated. The saints persevere because they are preserved. Preservation is the cause, perserverence is the effect, and the continuing work of the Holy Spirit is the means. Here is the enitre text of Chapter 17 of the 1689 confession copied from http://www.reformedreader.org/ccc/1689lbc/english/Chapter17.htm: Notice there is not one appearance of the word "works" in the chapter. Perseverence is not in works but in faith.