I've complained about the Baptist churches in this town, and am currently part of a baptistic but not Baptist church because of it. I want to be part of the solution, not part of the problem, so have really been trying to get my faith right. As part of the whole "when you find yourself in the weeds and lost, backtrack til you find the road again" thing, I've been going over old material and teachings from the church when, in my not so humble opinion, we got it right. Now the red face--I find myself moving toward the lordship salvation camp. Not all the way, or as far as some go. I still do not believe you have to clean up your act to come to Jesus. ...that is part of the job of the Holy Spirit after you do come. But I am increasingly concerned that we seem to tell people they can get saved with no intention at all of a changed heart and life. THAT is too far the other direction, too. Seems our problems here stem from an unregenerate membership to a high degree. Ack, hairball in throat, hard to say this, but somebody tell DonnA I said she might, maybe, a little bit, somehow, be on the right track. ACK.