Peter Masters on John Piper

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  1. Aaron

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    (Tho't I posted this last night, but I don't see it anywhere.)

    http://www.metropolitantabernacle.org/Literature/2002-3A_Christian_Hedonisim.shtml

     
  2. Brian Bosse

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    Hello Aaron,

    I am a fan of Piper, and would be happy to interact with you on this topic. I really do not care to critique Peter Masters even though I do not mind you using his arguments. Do you have an issue with Piper's Christian Hedonism?

    Sincerely,

    Brian
     
  3. Lux et veritas

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    Emphatically yes. By the way, Dr. Masters has just written an excellent article exposing some of the serious problems with Piper and John MacArthur.

    And, no Christian should be a 'fan' (short for fanatic) of anyone but Jesus Christ.
     
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    If we could ever harness the power and energy that goes into arguing and attacking other Christan ministries, redirect it towards actually doing something about the Gospel we might well see the world changed before our eyes.

    Satan loves seeing Christ's people redirected from the priority of the Gospel onto peripherial issues.
     
  5. Allan

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    I laughed when I read this portion about Dr. Masters thoughts on Piper:
    FTR - I'm neither for nor against either.
     
  6. Lux et veritas

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    What exactly would you define as a peripherial issue that Christians should not deal with? Remember, your 'peripherial issue' may be someone else's central one. But for the sake of discussion, what would you call a peripherial issue?
     
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    You make a good point. What often happens, though, is that those for which an issue is central will often berate the person for whom that same issue is peripheral.
     
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    Amen, brother!
     
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    Agree and disagree.

    Agree - on attacking other "Christian" ministries.

    Disagree: "world changed before our eyes". Not discounting the power of the gospel, but the gospel was not meant to change the world. It is meant for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear, and for the instruction of the saints unto righteousness.

    Having said that, I believe the problem is that sinners will always have their "Pauls and Apolloses and Cephases" to follow instead of just focusing on Christ and His words, the Bible, and asking for wisdom from the One who truly gives wisdom and understanding, the Holy Spirit.

    Some redeemed sinner goes and gets a doctorate and sits down and "exercises" the "wisdom" he got from his seminary from subjects that teach him how to read and write and research like a college or masteral student and lo, and behold, he comes out with an interpretation of this and that scripture and pretty soon he has a following.

    Now he must maintain that sudden "fame" and so he churns out book after book after book and soon he is on the speaking circuit, and now the entire world beckons to him and his ego must be fed and so he uses all the technology he can.

    But I suppose there will come a day when we all shall sit at the Master's feet or walk with the Master as the two did on their way to Emmaus and the Master Himself will open the scriptures, and if we shall know each other by spirit or by face at that point we all will be rolling with laughter (figuratively speaking) at each other's follies and we all will definitely be bowing in reverence and awe at the Master's feet for His grace and mercy at not striking us down immediately as we propose so many of our fallen doctrines.
     
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    Sour grapes. What "movement" or "ism" has Masters created?
     
  11. Aaron

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    I'm not interested at all in Piper or his ministry, but I know many are and was wanting to see their reactions.

    If Masters is accurate in his descriptions of Pipers doctrines, I would reject them (if I were to ever consider them in the first place.)
     
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    Hello Aaron,

    As a Piper fan (sorry Lux - it is just a figue of speech), what I have found is that those who are critical of others sometimes have not understood the person their criticims are directed towards. Along with others in this thread, I question the purpose of this thread. Although, I think there is a legitimate place to bring criticisms against teaching that is thought to be false this does not seem to be why you started this thread.

    Brian
     
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    Talk about a lot of words that say very little. I do not pay a lot of attention to Piper, but this article seems to be looking for a problem where none exists. The article is redundant and could possible be finished up in a couple paragraphs. Even then it would still be a waste of space.
     
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    Agreed. I was wading through asking myself, "And the point is....?"
     
  15. Aaron

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    You're overlooking the positive things that Masters said about Piper and his ministry overall.

    It is this central point (Christian Hedonism) that Masters is warning his congregation about.
     
  16. Aaron

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    You're right. As I said, I started the thread to see what others' reactions to Masters' article would be. So far, nothing of substance from the Piper devotees—simply defensiveness.
     
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    Careful with the ad Hominems...

    I'm not a "devotee" of Piper, but Master's rambling, rather pointless tome left me convinced he was picking nits.
     
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    I agree, yet we see nobody ever speaking out against MacArthur always tearing apart various ministries because they don't align with HIS definition of repentance. It's almost like he is the Baptist Pope, and nobody dare speak out against him. Fools Gold is but one example. Many more can be found on youtube.
     
  19. Aaron

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    Rambling and pointless it was not. Did he assert something with which you disagree?
     
  20. FlyForFun

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    It's hard to disagree when there's no clear point.

    "Christian Hedonism" is suspect.

    Eureka.:sleep:
     

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