Phoenix Seminary

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  1. Chick Daniels

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    Yesterday, I accidently discovered Phoenix Seminary located in the north valley of metro-Phoenix area. The president is Darryl DelHousaye, who apparently is a pal of John MacArthur, and was on the pastoral staff of GCC back in the late seventies. The seminary appears small, but is looking to grow rapidly. The faculty appear well credentialed, and they are in the candidate status of accreditation. Two recent developments include a move to larger facilities, a planned expansion of the library to 100,000 volumes, and the hiring of Wayne Grudem away from TEDS. It appears that they want to become a major player. Does anyone know anything more about this seminary? I did read their doctrinal statement, and it appeared that it is quite conservative.
    All faculty and grad candidates must agree with inerrancy, and the fundamentals of the faith. They included a strong statement on progressive sanctification that reads like MacArthur.

    Here is the website:
    Phoenix Seminary

    Best wishes,

    Chick

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  2. Chick Daniels

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    I have since learned that Wayne Grudem left TEDS for personal reasons, not that he was dissatisfied with TEDS. It was a apparently a tearful goodby. Phoenix was a place where he could still continue to teach.
     
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    I don't think Grudem left under bad terms from TEDS.

    I did browse this website. Overall, I am not overly impressed by either the program or the faculty. There doesn't seem to be a lot of academic doctorates. Not even the president has one. Most of the PhDs or ThDs are on the adjunct faculty it seemed. The only redeeming thing about the program seemed to be the 16 hours systematic theology. OTI and NTI were combined and I don't know how you cover both of those in one class. They seemed weak on the languages. In keeping with much modern day training, there seemed an overemphasis on counseling. I am still a firm believer that the best counselor is a welltrained theologian. Counseling is a matter of knowing what God commands from us and then calling people to do it. The nature of man is best understood by a theologian. The problem is sin and the solution is repentance and submission to the lordship of Christ. I am not arguing that there is no place for a counseling class; it just seems overly emphasized.
     
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    Amen three!!!
     
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    The one bright spot in that is knowing that the curriculum will undergo a change in a few years, as typical at most educational institutions.
     
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    Counselling is also a matter of helping people to figure out what aspects of their life/experiences/emotional make-up are preventing them from following God's command. That would be much harder for me to do without the clinical training I received in seminary.

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    Counseling is one of the greatest needs of a minister, and one of the weakest departments in our Bible Colleges and Seminaries.

    Don't think you can offset a weakness in one area of the school with a strength in another. It will produce a product reflective of those positions.

    Is Phoenix Seminary associated with a church, state or national fellowship?
     
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    Counselling is also a matter of helping people to figure out what aspects of their life/experiences/emotional make-up are preventing them from following God's command. That would be much harder for me to do without the clinical training I received in seminary.

    Joshua
    </font>[/QUOTE]The area that is keeping them from doing it is their depravity -- manifested in lack of self-discipline for the purpose of godliness (2 Tim 2:6-8). Obviously, we treat that carefully and tactfully but biblical counseling addresses problems biblically. Counseling is far too often an "I'm okay you're okay" approach to life when the truth is that neither is okay. Counseling too often attributes problems to backgrounds and other people and such things and in so doing totally removes the possibility of hope because of this simply principle: Of everything that I can change about my life, the past is not one of them. MY attitude toward the past should be characterized by forgiveness (Eph 4:32) and moving on (Phil 3:10ff.). When people are pursuing Christ with all of their heart because they see his beauty and glory, these other things go away. Our job as counselors is to give hope to people. That hope is found only in a life totally committed to living God's way.

    To answer Dr. Bob, I do not think counseling is the greatest need of our seminaries and Bible colleges. The reason there is a such an explosion of counseling philosophies and the like is because our greatest need is theology. If our Bible colleges and seminaries teach theology, counseling comes pretty easy. The greatest counselor is a top notch theologian who can communicate in love.

    Unfortunately counseling must be done but I am firm on this. I will not engage in extended period of counseling with someone who will not attend the services of teh local church. I tell people we will have 4 counseling sessions a week--One on Sunday morning, one on Sunday evening, one on Wednesday evening, and one at a time that is mutually convenient. Only when someone is under the preaching and teaching of God's word can there be any real life change. We shortchange the counselee if we accept anything less. And we all that that when people really want help, they do what is necessary to get it.
     
  11. Chick Daniels

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    Dr. Bob,

    Phoenix Seminary is non-denominational. Most of the students come from non-denominational (evangelical) churches (100). Baptist is the second most populous group among students at 23.

    They seem to be about where Dallas is, although more Calvinist, and probably slightly more conservative overall. One of their profs had taught at Moody.

    Chick
     

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