Playboy in trouble with Baylor

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  1. go2church

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    Playboy at Baylor Story

    This is a very disappointing story to say the least. Just when the fundy's have quieted down somewhat, students at a moderate Baptist school have to go and give them more ammunition then they could even dream of! I can hear it now, Don't send your money to Baylor they support Playboy. Disappointing probably is not the right word.
     
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    ”Why stand on the broad road and get trampled?” Justified Version [​IMG]

    "It is always better to stand up for conservatism, than to fall into liberalism" Justified Version [​IMG]

    ”Conservatives- Theology dictates morality/Liberals- morality dictates Theology” Justified Version [​IMG]
     
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    Dont send your money to Baylor, they support Playboy! [​IMG]
     
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    Actually, did you read the article correctly? Seemed to me Baylor was taking a stand, something fundies would approve of. Is it possible a student is required to sign some sort of morals clause or faith & creed upon admission? This would clearly violate that, if so. The school should be saluted if they are taking a stand against this sort of thing.

    My only shock is the ACLU hasn't gotten involved yet. That's usually the case. If it's against God & morals, look for the ACLU to appear on the horizon.
     
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    Texas Baptist schools (like Baylor) require affirmation of a morals clause when you register. In the past (when I attended a Texas Baptist school), the clause restricted students from using alcohol as a beverage, sexual immorality (hetero and homo), and damaging the reputation of the school by publicly acting in a way contrary to the stated mission of the school. Baylor might also have some sort of specific provision regarding Playboy and other magazines of its ilk. This sort of thing happens nearly every year for at least the past 25 years. Every year Playboy goes looking for students and usually they get one or two. If they are current students, the students are expelled when the matter becomes known.

    They do and they have.

    Baylor is a private, religiously affiliated university. It can set policy over morals because of instituational separation of church and state. Any honest attorney will tell you that there is not a case. A dishonest one might tell you there is to take a fee, but they won't get anywhere in court.
     
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    My disappointment is with the students. The reflection of the whole event is however on the school itself.
     
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    It is unfortunate. It seems like a momentary lapse of reason on the student's part is going to have some lasting effects...

    I support Baylor's decision.
     
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    I agree with those saying that Baylor seems to have taken the right steps. I salute Baylor's handling the incident.
     
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    I'm in Baylor's corner on this one. It seems that as many "Baylor Boys" as there were on the beach that dreadful day--there had to have been two, maybe three boys who could have swayed the crowd--"Guys! Lets think about this for a second!"--and then step back out of the camera lense and swear allegiance to their school!

    As Moderate at the school is--to NOT take the boys to the "Woodshed"--and to not do anything to the "Frats"--would be a slap in the face of Texas Baptists.
     
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    I always chuckle at the thought that some folks consider Baylor, TCU, SMU and Wake Forest, et al, as "Christian" schools.

    Like Harvard and Yale they may have been started by christians with good intentions, but to classify these wordly schools as "Christian" per se, seems to stretch the word to breaking.

    And an embarrassment to the hundreds of good and truly "Christian" colleges and universities that actually do have standards (enforced, not just given lip service) and morality.

    Always smiled when Dr. Criswell would mention "dear old Baylor" from the pulpit. He kissed up to the image and memory, but started his OWN college in Dallas rather than send students to that hellhole. For years, I could never visit his campus or work with his students without thinking THESE ARE THE CREAM OF THE CROP that would have struggled at "dear old Baylor".
     
  11. go2church

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    Hellhole is a bit harsh don't you think, even if you don't agree with what is taught there.
    Criswell started his own school because Baylor wouldn't let him run things like he did at FBC-Dallas.
     
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    You are right. I officially apologize for using that harsh of language about "our beloved Baylor" :rolleyes:

    From what I saw of it and activities that went on, it was little different than any other university. And "hellhole" certainly describes 99.9% of them.

    (I am a graduate of the University of Wisconsin so know whereof I speak)
     
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    Dr. Bob, don't pull a "Jerry Falwell" and back down on what you said. :D :D Baylor is only a nominally "Christian" school and I have to put it in quotes to even concede that. [​IMG]
     
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    What would make it a full-fledged "Christian" school?
     
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    I attended Baylor, back when, I remember all the commotion when Playboy advertised through the "underground" that they were doing a shoot for a Southwest Conference pictorial. Almost all the students and faculty were very staunchly against the photo sessions and several protests were launched, even legally trying to intervene to prevent publication.

    The Sig Eps of my time, were also somewhat non-conformists to school policies, as were several other organizations. I'm not sure, though, if marginal Christian school is a fair assessment, then or now. The code of conduct was clearly rooted in Christian belief and values, the mandatory chapel attendance encouraged spiritual growth, the BSU was an active force on campus, long before Campus Crusade came aboard.

    Yet, the school, though it tries to screen all applicants, to meet a criterion, will have some population that does enroll. But you can't make a horse drink from the trough, you can't make a teen, suddenly independent from family for perhaps the first time, not go through a "rebellious" time, and you can't push rope uphill. That doesn't make the institution more or less Christian. You can measure a school's "Christianity," as though a school can be Christian, by how it responds to the crises that arise when students, family, friends, visitors, or faculty behave outside of tolerated standards. Does this make any sense?

    Go Bears! [​IMG]

    David [​IMG]
     
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    I makes perfect sense to me even though I went to another Texas Baptist school and loathed the Big Green Bear!
     
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    This is an interesting thread and happens to be the one that captured my attention and prompted me to register and respond. I am a Baylor graduate and I would not trade my experience there for anything. I started college at what might be called an "independent, fundamentalist" Baptist college and went for three semesters. The rules were very strict, and the consequences for violations were swift, usually merciless, and particularly punitive. That did not stop a lot of sordid, immoral behavior, foul language, drinking and the like from going on among the students. That was not what I went to a Christian college to experience. Baylor had some of that, too, but at Baylor you can choose not to be involved in it, and pretty much find a whole lot of people who are interested in living and growing in Christ. The school has taken some highly publicized stands on some issues which the secular press has bashed it for, but by and large, the administration of Baylor basically trusts its students to be accountable for their own behavior and relationship with Christ, and the vast majority of them are. The atmosphere there was most beneficial to a young Christian desiring to grow in Christ.

    It is true that the Bible department and Christian perspective of Baylor is not in agreement with the more conservative, fundamentalist variety of Baptist believers, but so what? Fundamentalism is only a human interpretation of Christian faith, and is no more valid or authoritative than other perspectives, even though it seems to reserve the right to interpret truth for itself. I just kind of stay away from people who think that way. But what I was taught at Baylor was a depth of appreciation and dependence on scripture and a way of interpreting and living its principles that the fundamentalist college I attended did not even come close to understanding. Not only that, but the academic quality of Baylor was far superior.

    I'd have to say that a lot of Baptists and other Christians must feel the way I do, since Baylor receives huge amounts of private financial support from its alumni and private contributors, more than any other Baptist supported school in this country, and probably in the world. The fundamentalist college I attended was hugely expensive in tuition and fees, had shabby, run down facilities and was always scarfing and scraping the barrel for money. I'll take that "big green bear" any day, even without a winning football program.
     
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    Hi, MHolmes. Welcome to the Baptist Board. I am glad that this thread prompted you to register and post, but I hope this will just be the beginning of your participation on this board. I would like to encourage you to visit the "Welcome to the BaptistBoard.com" forum and introduce yourself to everyone. And for now, since you're from Texas, I'll "forgive" your comments about the big green bear. Besides, I'll take twelve men in maroon jersies any day! :D
     
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    I wish I could say that the twelve in maroon were in trouble on the field this year, but they won't be, at least not at Baylor.
     
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    It makes sense, but I don't agree. I agree with Dr. Bob on this one.

    Isn't part of the problem when these schools start accepting federal or state money and that changes things? Just wondering.
     

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