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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by convicted1, Oct 25, 2014.

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  1. MB

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    So are you saying that a baby who hasn't taken it's first breath yet has sinned if it dies during birth?
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    It also causes us to ask: Why do babies die?

    If they haven't sinned, and the wages of sin is death..... Why does anyone who hasn't yet sinned die?

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    Why does anything die? How did a sinless Christ die? Why do we still die if we are in Christ? Obviously guilt is not a prerequisite to death.
     
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    Interesting answer.
     
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    Christ came to seek and save that which was lost(Luke 19:10)...
    He shall save His people from their sins(Matthew 1:21)...
    Christ came into this world to save sinners(1 Timothy 1:15)...


    There is not going to be one of Adam's progeny that gets through those pearly gates without the shed blood of Christ atoning for them. If babies die sinless, then Christ didn't die for them. If they are sinless, they go to heaven without the blood.
     
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    I keep reading about the curse being passed down...which is true. Yet, what brought the curse upon all men? Sin. How is it that we get the curse, and not the sin, seeing the curse was via sin?
     
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    Jesus chose to die...
     
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    We have all been appointed to die once physically sinner or not. There is a second death for the sinner which is eternal separation from God.
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    Thats wrong as His death was a revision of the curse. His death and resurrection undid what Adam did.
     
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    Irrelevant. The argument is that if man dies it is due to them having Adam's guilt. Christ even being able to die refutes that.
     
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    Again Brother, if Adam's guilt isn't passed down, then neither is Christ's righteousness imputed...
     
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    Only if Augustine is correct which he is not.
     
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    Where there is no law there is no transgression. How did they die, if no law was given betwixt Adam and Moses? Via Adam...
     
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    Who said anything about him?
     
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    And what, pray tell, caused us to be appointed to die? The curse? What caused the curse to be placed upon us? Adam's sin. How can we get the curse...which was caused by Adam's guilt...and not get the sin...the very thing that caused us to be cursed?
     
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