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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by JesusFan, Dec 8, 2011.
Does that apply to Christians or to unsaved?
What does the Bible mean by that phrasing?
Was the many discussions we've already about this not already answered that?
I don't know how you can determine what "practicing sin" really is. Is it 2 sins, 3, 10, 100? What is the duration?
I believe what John is getting at is the character of the believer. It is not his desire to sin, and is out of character for his new spirit which has been born of God (Who cannot sin). I believe we can contrast the desire of the believer to please God and sin not to the unbeliever who has no heart for God and sins without conviction.
The closest I could find to practicing sin was this.
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.
When you do not that anymore you will have quit practicing sin.
Practicing sin is doing that sin over, and over, and over, and over, and over........
It is the opposite of this.
1 John 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not (practice) righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
A more literal translation;
In this is apparent the born-ones of God and the born-ones of the devil. Every one who is not habitually doing righteousness is not of God, also the one who is not habitually loving his brother. —Wuest's Word Studies
There are a lot of people here who better hope that Wuest is wrong. There isn't much brotherly love evident in most of these threads.
If someone is saved for 20 years and commits one sin a day for the entire time, wouldn't that qualify as practicing?
If a person is saved for 60 years and during that time commits a sin ever two days, wouldn't that also qualify as practicing sin.
Seems like if freeatlast's interpretation of 1Jn. 3:9 is correct no one who is saved very long would actually be saved.
This only shows the fallicy of his understanding to this scripture.
This verse is showing that a Christian will desire God, even though he has sin in his life now and again. The lost man wants sin and is comfortable in his sin.
Is that a sin?????????????????I would have put a bunch of smiles but do know how.
How would you define it then? John does say what he said in I John. So how would you define "practicing sin"?
No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God. By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.
JF needs to change his username to RD, revolving door....
Well the passage does not use the words "brotherly love" it says love their brother. In the mist of a debate and disagreement the words may become strong even between brothers, but the love does not stop for a true believer for their brothers.
think that we must make a clear distincton between saved persons who still might sin, even have a sin problem area such as drinking/drugs/anger/pornography etc , and still struggles, but knows its sinful behaviour and do still confess/repent to their Lord, and those who profee Christianity, and yet do similiar things, and do not see need to confess/repent, feel OK to keep on sinning!
You're right it is but that is the way sin is. If you ever stopped doing the same sin over and over again eventually you would run out of sins to commit and you'd be perfect.
Now think about this for a minute. It isn't the particular sin you have to worry about but any sin at all. What is sin but the breaking of the Law of God. To habitually commit the same sin isn't important. It's the fact that you've sinned at all that makes it continued sin. It doesn't matter which sin they all carry the same consequence.
I wrestle with this all the time with people. Example; If I tell a lie one day and then the next go out and steel something, wouldn't you say I was continuing in sin? Sin is sin they are all the same in the fact they are sin.
Reply to OP
Clearly every unsaved person "practices" sin. Therefore, we can conclude that no born again person "practices" sin.
But born again people do sin, at least in their own eyes, being convicted by the Holy Spirit. So one aspect of difference is sinning comfortably, i.e. being unrepentant about sin.
23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; (A)DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’
Matthew 7:23 clearly indicates the unsaved, who perhaps thought they were saved, "practice Lawlessness." And anyone who practices sin practices Lawlessness.
32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of (A)death, they not only do the same, but also (B)give hearty approval to those who practice them.
In Romans 1:32, we see that those who practice sin are unrepentant, they approve of the sin being practiced.
3 But do you suppose this, (A)O man, [a]when you pass judgment on those who practice such things and do the same yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God?
In Romans 2:3 we see that those who practice sin are hypocrites, pointing to and judging others, but applying different standards to their own behavior.
Lacking remorse is indicative of not being indwelt with the Holy Spirit.
21 I am afraid that when I come again my God may humiliate me before you, and I may mourn over many of those who have (A)sinned in the past and not repented of the (B)impurity, [a]immorality and sensuality which they have practiced.
In 2 Corinthians 12:21 we see Paul worried for the salvation of those who sin with an attitude of impunity, rather than a full blown struggle to follow in the paths of righteousness.
19 and they, having (A)become callous, (B)have given themselves over to (C)sensuality [a]for the practice of every kind of impurity with greediness.
Here again in Ephesians 4:19 we see a lack of remorse, i.e. callous in the practice of sin.
29 If you know that (A)He is righteous, you know that everyone also who practices righteousness (B)is [a]born of Him.
In 1 John 2:29 we see that those who "practice" righteousness are "born of Him"
Bottom line, if you are comfortable with your walk, you are in deep trouble.
A person who "repents" and then continues to do it isn't really repenting. Now, that doesn't mean he will never do it again. Let's say someone has an anger problem. They recognize their anger problem. They repent of their anger problem. They work on it and make every effort to not be angry. Will they fail from time to time, sure they will. But if a person says they are repenting of anger and we see no change, then there was no repentance.
This is something I struggled with. Do I still get angry when I shouldn't be? Yes, but less and less. God has given me much help in changing that aspect of my life. I have the Spirit, I've been born again. That's the difference between a saved person and an unsaved person. I couldn't have done it on my own.
I'll see Brother FAL's :thumbs: and raise him three :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs: