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Please Evaluate This Prayer

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  1. Mark Osgatharp

    Mark Osgatharp New Member

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    Please give me your evaluation of the following prayer:

    "Lord, thank you for the food that you've so graciously given. Thank you, Lord, for every blessing, seen and unseen. Lord we love you. Those of us who are Christians pray in Jesus' name; but all of us honor you. In your holy name we pray. Amen."

    Mark Osgatharp
     
    #1 Mark Osgatharp, Sep 18, 2003
  2. Baptist Believer

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    Sounds like a “prayer” given at a civil function…

    The idea that “all” honor God even if they are not believers in Christ is foreign to my faith and my understanding of scripture.

    While there will be a day when everything will be revealed and all with declare Jesus as Lord, I do not believe that those who are in rebellion against God (that is, persons who do not believe Christ and those who are technically believers who are for a time living in rebellion against God’s work in their lives) actually honor God.

    Mark, I suspect that this is going to be another issue where we actually agree. :D
     
    #2 Baptist Believer, Sep 18, 2003
  3. Gina B

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    I'm a Christian, and I don't pray using the name of Jesus. I pray to the Father, as Jesus gave the example to do, but through Jesus. (ie if I have a request I'll ask it to be granted in the name of Jesus, or say something like Jesus said that if I ask this in your name...)
    Gina
     
    #3 Gina B, Sep 18, 2003
  4. timothy 1769

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    It's impossible to honor God while rejecting Jesus.
     
    #4 timothy 1769, Sep 18, 2003
  5. amixedupmom

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    Intresting, Sounds as if it was given at a multi-cultural center with both Christians, Jews, and Muslims?

    Let me know if i'm correct

    God Bless
     
    #5 amixedupmom, Sep 19, 2003
  6. Loren B

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    No Jesus - No Prayer
     
    #6 Loren B, Sep 19, 2003
  7. Mark Osgatharp

    Mark Osgatharp New Member

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    This is a portion of a prayer prayed at a Jewish/Christian symposium by a very prominent - arguably the most prominent - "fundamentalist" Southern Baptist pastor. Anyone care to take a guess?

    Mark Osgatharp
     
    #7 Mark Osgatharp, Sep 19, 2003
  8. dianetavegia

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    I think the prayer is a cop out and an insult to our Savior. I would have gotten up and left the meeting immediately. [​IMG]

    Diane
     
    #8 dianetavegia, Sep 19, 2003
  9. amixedupmom

    amixedupmom Guest

    Well umm no one hit me but, i'm going to say Billy Graham???

    :eek: if i'm wrong
     
    #9 amixedupmom, Sep 19, 2003
  10. Mark Osgatharp

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    Lea,

    Wrong. I said fundamentalist Southern Baptist leader, not ecumenical.

    Mark Osgatharp
     
    #10 Mark Osgatharp, Sep 19, 2003
  11. amixedupmom

    amixedupmom Guest

    Sorry :(
     
    #11 amixedupmom, Sep 19, 2003
  12. Dr. Bob

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    Hey! Don't blame it on me! I wasn't there!

    Actually, I pray this way all the time. I do weddings where NO ONE is a believer and I don't pray as if they were.

    I do pray to the Father in Jesus' name. Except at the synagogue.

    But you've always known I'm a little compromising with the Jews!
     
    #12 Dr. Bob, Sep 20, 2003
  13. ScottEmerson

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    Do not hyper-Calvinists believe that God is glorified even by the non-Christians, as their lack of belief leads to God's wrath, which is also to be glorified (or something like that?)
     
    #13 ScottEmerson, Sep 20, 2003
  14. Mark Osgatharp

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    Dr. Bob,

    You said,

    "Actually, I pray this way all the time. I do weddings where NO ONE is a believer and I don't pray as if they were."

    I wouldn't suggest anyone should pray as if unbelievers were believers. I would suggest that to assert in a prayer that those who don't believe in Christ honor "the Lord" is a blatant contradiction and compromise of the gospel.

    Take this statement out of the above quoted prayer:

    "Lord we love you. Those of us who are Christians pray in Jesus' name; but all of us honor you. In your holy name we pray. Amen."

    If by "Lord" the prayer meant "Jesus" then the prayer meant:

    "Lord Jesus we love you. Those of us who are Christians prayer in your name Lord Jesus; but all of us honor you Lord Jesus. In your holy name Lord Jesus we pray. Amen."

    Now who in their right mind could say "Amen" to such nonsense?

    If by "Lord" the prayer of this prayer meant "the Father" - which is evidently what he did mean - then he prayed:

    "Father we love you. Those of us who are Christians pray in your Son Jesus' name; but all of us honor you, Father. In your holy name, Father, we pray. Amen."

    Though that might make a little more sense gramatically, it still makes no sense theologically and honors neither the Father nor the Son. For the Lord Jesus Himself said,

    "No man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the son will reveal him."

    And again,

    "He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him."

    Remember, this is not a theoretical exercise. The prayer is a portion of a prayer delivered by a prominent Southern Baptist pastor who is renouned as a bastion of fundamentalism.

    Mark Osgatharp
     
    #14 Mark Osgatharp, Sep 20, 2003
  15. Joseph_Botwinick

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    Paige Patterson? Just Guessing...really.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
    #15 Joseph_Botwinick, Sep 20, 2003
  16. Joseph_Botwinick

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    Ok...I am just gonna put out all the rest of my guesses and you tell me if any of them are correct:

    Al Mohler
    Judge Paul Pressler
    Jerry Falwell

    Are any of these correct? I am dying to know who it is.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
    #16 Joseph_Botwinick, Sep 20, 2003
  17. Mark Osgatharp

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    Joseph,

    Nope.

    Mark Osgatharp
     
    #17 Mark Osgatharp, Sep 20, 2003
  18. Mark Osgatharp

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    Joseph,

    Nope.
    Nope.
    Nope.

    Your choices are getting awful slim. ;)

    Mark Osgatharp
     
    #18 Mark Osgatharp, Sep 20, 2003
  19. Joseph_Botwinick

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    Is he an Arkansas preacher, a leader in the SBC, or someone on the Baptist Board. Any one of these three would not surprise me. Next guess:

    Jimmy Draper?

    Joseph Botwinick
     
    #19 Joseph_Botwinick, Sep 20, 2003
  20. Mark Osgatharp

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    Joseph,

    He has been a president of the SBC, is not an Arkansas preacher, is not on the Baptist Board, and is not Jimmy Draper.

    Do you give up?

    Mark Osgatharp
     
    #20 Mark Osgatharp, Sep 20, 2003
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