Please give me your thoughts: Is Tithing required by the New Testament?

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  1. TaliOrlando

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    A friend of mine and I are sharing information on tithing. He is what he wrote to me, please share with me your thoughts.. thanks

    Tali



    Is Tithing required by the New Testament?

    FREQUENTLY QUOTED VERSES

    Commonly quoted scriptures:


    Matt 23:23 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
    For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin,
    and have neglected the weightier matters of the
    law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought
    to have done, without leaving the others undone.

    Luke 11:42 But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and
    rue and all manner of herbs, and pass by justice
    and the love of God. These you ought to have done,
    without leaving the others undone.


    Christ spoke these words during His ministry and this teaching was in
    harmony with the directives of the Old Covenant.


    The following verse explains the position of Christ in relation to the
    existing Old Covenant Law.

    Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of the time
    had come, God sent forth His Son,
    born of a woman, born under the law,
    :5 to redeem those who were under the
    law, ...



    Christ planted the seeds of the New Testament while acting and speaking
    in harmony with the law of the Old Covenant. It is for this reason that
    He also commanded a cleansed leper to obey the law of Moses.


    Matt 8:3 ... And immediately his leprosy was cleansed.
    :4 See that you tell no one; but go your way, show
    yourself to the priest, and offer the gift that
    Moses commanded, as a testimony to them.


    The physical offering of animals does not apply under the New Testament,
    so why did Christ compel this compliance with the Law of Moses?


    For the same reason he compelled tithing in Matthew 23:23. The Law of
    Moses was still in force during the life of Christ. It would have been
    'sin' for Christ at this time to have taught against the Law of Moses!


    In the Matthew 23:23 and Luke 11:42 verses Christ was not teaching
    that tithing was required by the New Testament, but rather was just
    re-enforcing that this was a requirement under the Old Covenant!




    OTHER NEW TESTAMENT VERSES

    Looking for other tithing verses in the New Testament we do not find
    any requirement for Christians to tithe.


    A) A PHARISEE'S PRAYER
    Tithing is mentioned in the parable of the prayers of the Pharisee and
    the Tax Collector, where the Pharisee states;

    Luke 18:12 'I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that
    I possess.'

    In this illustration we have the teaching that strict obedience to the
    law, and the self righteousness it can produce, amounts to less than the
    display of humility by a sinner seeking mercy.


    B) THE TITHING OF ABRAHAM
    The following verses discuss the example of Abraham paying tithes to
    Melchizedek and how the Levites under the Old Covenant were to receive
    the tithes of the people.


    Heb 7:4 Now consider how great this man was, to whom even
    the patriarch Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils.
    :5 And indeed those who are of the sons of Levi, who
    receive the priesthood, have a commandment to receive
    tithes from the people according to the law, that is,
    from their brethren, though they have come from the
    loins of Abraham;
    :6 but he whose genealogy is not derived from them
    received tithes from Abraham and blessed him who had
    the promises.
    :7 Now beyond all contradiction the lesser is blessed by
    the better.
    :8 Here mortal men receive tithes, but there he receives
    them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives.
    :9 Even Levi, who receives tithes, paid tithes through
    Abraham, so as to speak,
    :1 for he was still in the loins of his father when
    Melchizedek met him.


    This text and the subsequent commentary is discussing
    the identity of Melchizedek and the changing of the
    priesthood under the New Testament. The issue of
    tithing in the time of Abraham and in the Old
    Covenant is covered, but the question of tithing
    in the New Testament is not clarified. However,
    should the analogy of the transfer of authority
    to receive tithes be extended along the lines of
    the priesthood change, then this text would be
    suggesting we in the New Testament would be
    required to tithe directly to Christ (and not to
    any type of representative).




    EXAMPLE OF THE APOSTLES

    If we wish to see the New Testament position in respect to tithing the
    logical place to look is in the writings of the apostles.

    We do not find any specific commandment for the newly converted
    Christians to tithe so we have to consider verses which may suggest
    this teaching prevailed at that time.


    Acts 20:33 I have coveted no one's silver or gold or apparel.
    :34 Yes, you yourselves know that these hands have
    provided for my necessities, and for those who
    were with me.
    :35 I have shown you in every way, by laboring like
    this, that you must support the weak.

    2Cor 11:8 I robbed other churches, taking wages from them
    to minister to you.
    :9 And when I was present with you, and in need, I
    was a burden to no one, for what was lacking to
    me the brethren who came from Macedonia supplied.

    12:13 For what is it in which you were inferior to
    other churches, except that I myself was not
    burdensome to you? Forgive me this wrong!
    :15 And I will very gladly spend and be spent for
    your souls; though the more abundantly I love
    you, the less I am loved.

    9:1 Now concerning the ministering to the saints, it
    is superfluous for me to write to you;
    :2 for I know your willingness, ...
    :5 ... I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren
    to go to you ahead of time, and prepare your
    bountiful gift beforehand, which you had previously
    promised, that it may be ready as a matter of
    generosity and not as a grudging obligation.
    :6 But this I say: He who sows sparingly will also
    reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will
    also reap bountifully.
    :7 So let each one give as he purposes in his heart,
    not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a
    cheerful giver.
    :8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward
    you, that you, always having all sufficiency in
    all things, may have an abundance for every good
    work.

    8:12 For if there is first a willing mind, it is
    accepted according to what one has, and not
    according to what he does not have.
    :13 For I do not mean that others should be eased
    and you burdened;
    :14 but by an equality, that now at this time your
    abundance may supply their lack, that their
    abundance also may supply your lack - that
    there may be equality.

    1Cor 9:11 If we have sown spiritual things for you, is it
    a great thing if we reap your material things?
    :12 If others are partakers of this right over you,
    are we not even more? Nevertheless we have not
    used this right, but endure all things lest we
    hinder the gospel of Christ.
    :14 Even so the Lord has commanded that those who
    preach the gospel should live from the gospel.

    Gal 6:6 Let him who is taught the word share in all good
    things with him who teaches.


    OBSERVATIONS:

    1) In these verses the apostle Paul both accepted wages from other
    congregations and also worked to supply his own needs.
    2) Paul had avoided placing a monetary burden upon the Corinthian
    congregation, but this apparently had not favorably altered
    their disposition toward giving.
    3) We encounter in the letters to the Corinthians considerable
    references to the collection of food Paul was organizing to
    assist the brethren in Jerusalem, due to the famine they were
    experiencing. Refer Acts 11:27-30 and Romans 15:26.
    4) Giving should be balanced by the goal of 'equality', that is
    one party should not be unnecessarily burdened.
    5) Those involved in preaching the gospel should be financially
    rewarded by those receiving the message.


    Despite the existence of a need to assist in supporting the ministry
    these verses do not clarify if the factor of 10% as suggested by the
    tithing principle is applicable. In fact, from the example of Paul's
    handling of the Corinthian church, we can see that the New Testament
    leadership did not always request monetary assistance.




    SUMMARY

    We can conclude from reviewing the New Testament scriptures that
    although there is support for the sharing of material wealth with the
    ministry, there is no conclusive proof in the New Testament to support
    the inclusion of the Old Covenant tithing principle in Christian
    teaching.
     
  2. BobRyan

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    1. Tithing is not "Old Covenant" it is scripture.
    2. The "whatever is not repeated should be deleted" principle for reading the bible is not supported in scripture.
    3. In Malachi 3 God states that withholding tithe is "robbing God".
    4. Christ said in Matt 5 that His mission is not to abolish the Word of God.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
  3. Alcott

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    Where is the temple you take every 10th lamb under which your rod strikes?
     
  4. trustitl

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    Tithing

    TaliOrlando:

    Tithing is law. All you need to tithe is a calculator. Giving is a gift (or effect of grace) for a born again believer who is "alive unto God" (Rom. 6:11).

    Ye are not under law, but under grace. (Grace: divine influence on the heart)

    You choose what will influence your giving: the Spirit of God or math. If the Spirit is telling you to tithe then tithe. But beware that the influence to tithe is most likely to be from those who will have other laws to impose on you later: no drinking, smoking, working (or playing) on Sunday, dancing, eating pork, where to send your kids to school, what to wear, what version of the bible to use...

    Tithing is much easier. Paycheck X .10 = Sunday "offering". You have been called unto liberty. Liberty may sound great (and it is) but it will require way more of you than you may think.

    Be prepared for the onslaught of comments that will be coming. For a preview look at the other topics. It will be the same thing over and over. The best one has already been used: you don't want to rob God do you? The actual robbing is being done by those who are trying to take as their spoil (as in booty in war).

    Col. 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

    God bless you for looking into this. Pray for guidance in sorting out all the counsel you will be getting. Trust God.
     
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    TaliOrlando,

    Do a search on BB for the thread called 'Tithing, What's the Big Deal?'. That thread shows you many reasons why the New Testament Believer is not required to tithe. The main reason is Peter's explanation found in Acts 15... it will put one under a yoke of bondage.
     
  6. johnjudge

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    I agree with standingfirminChrist. BUT...out of love we should be giving a lot more than 10%...every chance we get. The early believers sold EVERYTHING they had and brought it before the Apostles to be shared with those in need. Can you imagine that happening in todays church?
     
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    No. Are you posting from a public library, because you sold your computer-- as well as your house car(s), stocks, 401K plans, et al-- and laid the money at some "apostles'" feet? Or why do you bring that up?
     
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    Believers today need to give cheerfully (hilariously), not grudgingly (complaining) or of necessity (you must give 10% or suffer the curse of God); for God loveth a cheerful giver.
     
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    Tithing was a necessity in the Old Testament. The 11 tribes of Israel were required to tithe to the Levites so the Levites could eat. This is because the Levites could own no land according to Law.

    The Levites were to take a tithe (10%) of their tithe to the High Priest. Now, if you wish to be under the yoke of bondage of Mosaic Law, and your pastor is a Levite, then by all means tithe. If he is a High Priest, then he is to be alloted 1%, not 10%.

    But if you are going to stay under that yoke of bondage, then you better adhere to and follow the other 612 laws as well. For if you are guilty of one, you are guilty of all. Tithing even 10% would be of no merit in God's eyes if you do not follow all the Law. ..Are you able to do so? I know I am not.

    Tithing was always food, it was never money.
     
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    The following paragraphs are from the book Living Prayer by Metropolitan ANTHONY (Bloom):

    "If you believe that prayers for the living are a help to them, why should you not pray for the dead? Life is one, for as St. Luke says:'He is not the God of the dead but of the living' (20:38). Death is not an end but a stage in the destiny of man, and this destiny is not petrified at the moment of death. The love which our prayer expresses cannot be in vain; if love had power on earth and had no power after death it would tragically contradict the word of scripture that love is as strong as death (Song 8:6), and the experience of the Church that love is more powerful than death, because Christ has defeated death in his love for mankind.It is an error to think that man's connection with life on earth ends with his death. In the course of ones's life one sows seeds. These seeds develop in the souls of other men and affect their destiny, and the fruit that is born of these seeds truly belongs not only to those who bear it but also to those who sow. The words written or spoken that change a human life or the destiny of mankind, as the words of preachers, philosophers, poets or politicians, remain their author's responsibility, not only for evil but also for good; the author's destiny is bound to be affected by the way they have influenced those living after them.

    The life of every person continues to have repercussions until the last judgement, and man's eternal and final destiny is determined not only by the short space of time he has lived on this earth but also by the results of this life, by its good or evil consequences. Those who have received seed sown as in fertile ground, can influence the destiny of the departed by prayerfully beseeching God to bless the man who has transformed their lives, given a meaning to their existence."

    "Our prayer is an act of gratitude and love, in so far as our life is the continuation of something that he stood for. We do not ask God to be unjust, and we do not imagine that we are more compassionate and more loving that he is, nor do we ask him to be more merciful than he would otherwise be; we are bringing new evidence for God's judgement, and we pray that this evidence should be taken into account and that the blessing of God should come abundantly for the one who has meant so much in our life. It is important to realise that we pray not in order to convince God of something but to bear witness that this person has not lived in vain, neither loving nor inspiring love.

    Any person who has been the origin of love in any way has something to put forward in his defense, but it is for those who remain to bear witness to what he has done for them. Here again it is not simply a matter of good will or emotion. St. Isaac of Syria says: do not reduce your prayer to words, make the totality of your life a prayer to God. Therefore, if we wish to pray for our departed, our life must back up the prayer....It is essential that every seed of good, truth and holiness that has been sown by them should bear fruit, because then we can stand before God and say: he has sown good, there was some quality in him which inspired me to do well, and this particle of good is not mine but his and is a way his glory and his redemption."
     
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    Tithing

    II Cor. 9:6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. 7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
     
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    As much as God has given me... the least I can do is give of my time-talents-resources. IMHO.
     
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    Give of your time, your talents, your resources. If that is what you ppurpose in your heart to do and do cheerfully.

    But unless you are giving 10% of your cattle, flocks, and produce, you are not tithing... no matter what you call it.

    And if you are tithing of those three, and are breaking any of the other 612 laws, then you are just as guilty of not tithing anyway.

    James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

    Tell me... are your clothes of one material only? with no seams? Do you have battlements on your roof? Those are two that most readers would have to answer no to... I am sure there are more.
     
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    All good - all applicable in the O.T

    The O.T never said "give grudgingly and of necessity -- do not purpose in your heart to be a cheterful giver".

    God says that we are to Love God with all of our heart Deut 6:5 and Love our Neighbor as ourselves Lev 19:18 -- but God does not say "and do it grudgingly".

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    But if a person is going to 'do it' and it will be grudgingly if he does it, then shoud he do it or not do it?
     
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    If you are not going to Love God or your neighbor -- it does not matter whether you feel good about not doing it. It is sin -- it is not the "good fruit" of Matt 7 rather it reveals the bad fruit of a bad tree. James says "Guilty of one guilty of all" in James 2.

    He does not say "oops -- shouldn't have said that -- you might feel obligated".

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    Can you answer a binary question Yes or No? If you can, answer this one, and if Yes, then my previous one.
     
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    If you are servant to tithing, you must be servant to all the law -- so says the Bible. This is why you hear many ministers say "We are not under the law. The tithe is a 'starting point' for our giving."

    Well, that was true of the law as well! That doesn't get anyone out from "under that law."

    Here's what does --- giving your life to the body/church and giving what the Spirit says give. This way you don't get people who can't feed their families -- like the "widow" with the "mite" in the OT -- not being able to take care of their families needs, 1Tim 3:5, 5:8. Yet I have seen this (The family had to ask the church for alms afterward but Paul said such, for example, "deny the faith.").

    The best example of Christian giving is in 2Cor 8-9 -- the love offering. And, yes, we ought to pay our pastors and have a place to worship. But paid activities staff is certainly overkill as are 50" plasmas hung everywhere, etc.

    And a significant amount of the tithes in the "storehouse" were for the poor, Mal 3. Today, we let gov't administer "alms" in the form of taxes as the Jewish religion used to do as both church and state to its members.

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    Tithing

    The difference between giving a tithe and giving from the heart(in the sense Paul is talking here) is one needs a calculator; the other requires the Spirit.

    Under the law God told the Jews to give tithes. He also told them, as BR points out to love Him with all "their" heart. Using logic, many have figured (no pun intended) they are supposed to tithe with all their heart.

    This exposes the difference between law and grace. Under law God gave the command. In the better covenant, God gives everything required: Phil 2:13 "For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure."

    Their is nothing wrong with tithing in the Kingdom of God. What is wrong is for me tell you that you need to do it. In so doing I would "spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."

    The rudiments of the world in this situation would be math and money. The Spirit is not required to multiply income X .10. People that are being lead to tithe by the Spirit are not telling other people they need to do it.
     
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    If you are being led to tithe, then you are to tithe produce, flocks and herds... for that is what tithe was. It was not money.

    So if you are being led to tithe and are not giving produce, flocks and herbs but instead money, you are not tithing and thereby not following the leading as you claim to.
     

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