I have been a BB member for 4 years. We have talked about women.....alot. We have talked about submissive wives....alot. I still haven't gotten a clear understanding of what the people here think it means on a daily basis for women, except for Gina, and she is the only one whose position is crystal clear to me. Please don't explain about how the wife represents the church and the husband represents Christ. I understand that and have no problems with that. I asked my pastor for help on this once and he said, "What does it mean that a wife has to submit? It means she has to SUBMIT!!" and then he laughed and gave me the brush-off. He didn't mean to be rude, but he was. I don't hold that cocky attitude against him. Perhaps I caught him at a bad time. I just want a concrete and clear answer from someone on this board who has participated in these discussions over the years. What does it mean for a wife to live in total submission to her husband? Does the way that Christian families live today accurately portray wifely submission? Does wifely submission mean any or all of the following or more? She dresses how her husband tells her to. She needs his permission to work outside the home. She puts the meals on the table when he says to. She obeys him even when he is wrong. She bears the children and raises them, (i.e. bathing, playing, schooling, advising....) herself. I see many very happy christian couples, (well, mostly happy) where the husband loves his wife and she loves him, but I could NEVER live like they do. I see many very fine and good men, whom I like, but who seem to believe that all they have to do is "love" their wife. They don't have to help her do anything except to put the paycheck on the table and spank the children, but as long as they "love" her, they are fulfilling their biblical duties. And they are obviously happy. You know, "I love you dearly, sweetheart, but I'm not changing that diaper." And I see many very fine and good women who seem to believe that they must do everything that is household related, child related, bookkeepping related, holiday related, and family/in-law related, and as long as they are being the chief-cook-and-bottle-washer, nanny, provide sex when asked for it, and ask "permission" about things when they are unclear on the "rules" that they are being biblically submissive wives. They work themselves literally to the ground and have no outside interests, but they, oddly enough, seem to be quite happy. These are good men and women who love each other. This is how my friends live. This is how my colleagues live. Maybe I'm just the freak, but I could never, never live like that. Does being a submissive wife mean that he "overrides" you, can dictate to you, and that you must do whatever he says, without argument? Is this what God means? Does being a loving husband mean that you show verbal affection and marital fidelity, but nothing else. I'm not going to talk about this anymore on the BB because all I seem to do is "stir the pot". I tried once to talk about what a husband should be doing, from a biblical perspective, but all I did was to aggrevate. But would someone just tell me....what does being a submissive wife mean? That was my last word on the topic.....you have my solemn promise.