Please provide scriptural support for KJVOism.

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  1. Johnv

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    This is not intended to be a thread of arguments, and I'm asking people to refraim from arguing, trolling, spamming, or flaming.

    I'm asking for scriptural support for KJVOism. If anyone can provide scritural support, I will accept KJVOism as biblically sound.
     
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    Good luck, Johnv! I've asked this Q umpteen hundred times since 1981 with NO legitimate replies except where some lamely quote "Psalm 12:6-7".
     
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    make a deal with you?

    Show me where in the Bible it supports tearing down the very thing the LORD holds above his very name, then show me why we shouldn't hold the highest standard for having His word in our tongue which reflects the best we can come up with?

    Of course the [personal attack] will not agree that Psalm 138 is the answer to this folly of a topic.

    Knowing the intent of the people termed as KJVO, this Psalm justifies them.:1_grouphug::sleeping_2::smilewinkgrin::tongue3:
     
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    Too late, brother.
     
  5. Forever settled in heaven

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    well, over on another board, there's a KJBO who's trying to justify his admitted LACK of scriptural support by:

    1. claiming a Presuppositional Approach (trying to channel Van Til?!), an approach a.k.a. proof by bombast, and

    2. comparing KJBOist fideism to our faith in the NT canon.
    nice try, i say! :D
     
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    So let's see - you're saying Psalm 138 supports KJVO?

    1I will praise thee with my whole heart: before the gods will I sing praise unto thee.

    2I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

    3In the day when I cried thou answeredst me, and strengthenedst me with strength in my soul.

    4All the kings of the earth shall praise thee, O LORD, when they hear the words of thy mouth.

    5Yea, they shall sing in the ways of the LORD: for great is the glory of the LORD.

    6Though the LORD be high, yet hath he respect unto the lowly: but the proud he knoweth afar off.

    7Though I walk in the midst of trouble, thou wilt revive me: thou shalt stretch forth thine hand against the wrath of mine enemies, and thy right hand shall save me.

    8The LORD will perfect that which concerneth me: thy mercy, O LORD, endureth for ever: forsake not the works of thine own hands.

    King James Version (KJV)


    Nope. Don't see it there.
     
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    I figured Psalm 12, esp. 12:6...

    1 Help, LORD; for the godly man ceaseth; for the faithful fail from among the children of men.

    2 They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak.

    3 The LORD shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things:

    4 Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us?

    5 For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the LORD; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him.

    6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

    7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

    8 The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted.

    King James Version (KJV)

    Strange... as often as I have heard that claim, I still don't see anything about the KJV there either.
     
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    Harold Garvey: make a deal with you?

    if it aint a pig in a poke.

    Show me where in the Bible it supports tearing down the very thing the LORD holds above his very name,

    It does NOT mention the KJV by the slightest implication, and also there's another mistranslation there. It SHOULD read "along with His name".


    then show me why we shouldn't hold the highest standard for having His word in our tongue which reflects the best we can come up with?

    That's why God has caused His word to appear in OUR English.

    Of course the [personal attack] will not agree that Psalm 138 is the answer to this folly of a topic.

    Right-we Freedom Readers DON'T, cuz it's NOT the answer, simple as that. Just WHERE does it mention the KJV or support KJVO? And the topic is a folly ONLY to those who know they CANNOT provide any Scriptural support for KJVO but wanna hold on to that man-made doctrine anyway.

    Note to Trotter: The ONLY reason KJVOs bring up the "Psalm 12:6-7 thingie" as being supportive of KJVO is because Dr. Wilkinson's book, the foundation stone for the current KJVO doctrine, sez it is. They have blindly accepted the word of a 7TH DAY ADVENTIST official without bothering to check out the FACTS & applying a little COMMON SENSE.
     
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    Roby, what are some examples of pre-Wilkinson sermons or commentaries (such as Matthew Henry) that address Psalm 12:7 "them" as being people?
     
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    I'm looking at a copy of the Textus Receptus right now, and am reading that verse in its original tongue. Where in the TR does this verse (or any verse) refer to a specific translation?
     
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    Well, there's John Gill:

    Or Adam Clarke:

    Or Matthew Henry:



    Maybe Spurgeon:



    Augustine:

    Calvin:

     
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    I've got two separate translations open to Psalm 138. Can someone tell me how, in either of these translations, the passage is referring to the KJV, or, for that matter, any translation?
     
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    KJO Scripture support Part II

    In order not to hijack Johnv thread on "Please provide scriptural support for KJVOism" I am starting this one.

    Many of the answers on Johns thread was from the Old Testament. How could writings from 400 BC and before be used to justify preserving the KJV 1611?

    Another words, how can a version written int he 17th century be "preserved" in the 2nd - 16 th centuries?

    This is not a facetious thread, I am honestly seeking an honest answer.
     
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    It refers to the word of God.

    Agnosticism is a behavorial pattern associated with denial.

    [off topic]

    Emotionalism doesn't do much concerning sound reason.:smilewinkgrin:
     
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    And each would agree the poor and needy are kept by the word of God.:thumbsup: [off topic]
     
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    All one has to do is consider each verse in context as it is found within the KJV and they can see for themselves.

    Of course confusion steps in as one consults other versions to see what they arlready have in front of them.:smilewinkgrin:

    I knew Ps 138 would stump you.
     
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    Could it be the 1611 holds true to the earlier Bibles in earlier times as well? YES!

    Here comes the contentious:smilewinkgrin:
     
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    You answered your own question not with Biblical proof, nor historical proof, but with your opinion. How about some proof to back up your position instad of accusing those who disagree with you of being contentious?
     
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    Thats what I'm asking, show me a Biblical reference (as John also asked) that makes the KJV the only inspired version. And my statemen was a lot more than just an opinion - it is a fact.
     
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    There is no Biblical support for a specific translation to be found anywhere in the canon of Scripture unless one is willing to twist and turn such Scripture.

    The job of a Christian I believe should be to support and share the doctrine found in Scripture and to spread the good news that Christ has come and has died for our sins. It is not our job to defend a translation or set of manuscripts and Christ never charged us with preserving Scripture, He has promised to do that for us.

    Having said that I do believe that a Christian should want to find a good, accurate translation that is based on sound manuscripts. For that reason I believe that the study (and debate) of translations and manuscripts is a good and healthy exercise, it is just not something that should take up the majority of our time and energy. I also believe that it is better to have a so-so translation based on less accurate manuscripts that you will read than it is to have a great translation based on the most sound manuscripts that you will not read.
     
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