Police State, USA

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  1. carpro

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    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=108604

    Cops jump on swine-flu power: Shots heard 'round the world
    Pandemic bill allows health authorities to enter homes, detain without warrant
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    Posted: September 01, 2009
    9:11 pm Eastern

    By Chelsea Schilling
    © 2009 WorldNetDaily

    A "pandemic response bill" currently making its way through the Massachusetts state legislature would allow authorities to forcefully quarantine citizens in the event of a health emergency, compel health providers to vaccinate citizens, authorize forceful entry into private dwellings and destruction of citizen property and impose fines on citizens for noncompliance.

    If citizens refuse to comply with isolation or quarantine orders in the event of a health emergency, they may be imprisoned for up to 30 days and fined $1,000 per day that the violation continues.

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    Law enforcement authorities are authorized to "arrest without warrant any person whom the officer has probable cause to believe has violated an order for isolation or quarantine...
     
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    Sounds like what they used to do when I was a kid and there was an outbreak of a very contagious disease. I remember families being quarantined with a decal on the door or window. I was just a kid and do not know about fines or being sent to prison. But before the 'miracle' antibiotics diseases were much more dangerous than today and many more people died.

    Of course in a normal year 30,000 people die of flu in this country. If the flu were a new disease this would make huge headlines in all the press. Since it is the flu and most who die are the elderly no one seems to care. However, the Swine flu kills the young in a much higher percentage than the elderly. Strange twist of this flu.

    They probably can justify the arrests without warrents under the Homeland Security Bill passed under the Bush administration. Bush and company opened a huge Pandora's Box with that one.
     
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  3. Aaron

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    Yeah, well Socialism had its foot well in the door when you were a kid.
     
  4. carpro

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    Your hate for Bush leads you to some pretty stupid conclusions.

    Get a grip!
     
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    Given the fact that it's WND that's reorting this, you can't take the OP as being any more valid than something you read in the National Enquirer. I'm reading the bill as we speak, and invite everyone to do the same.

    One of the problems in reading the bill is that it admends a section of a previous bill, so you have to go back and read the previous bill and read it with this bill's proposed amendent. I'm going to reserve my comments on it until I'm done reading the bill.
     
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    Now, when you say "Bush and Company", does "and Company" mean all of the Democrats who voted for it?
     
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    Your sig is hilarious man. Thanks for that.
     
  8. carpro

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    I know what you mean.

    I feel the same way about ABCCBSNBCFOXMSNBCCNNLATNYTTIME ETC.
     
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    No reason to simply feel, just know it and be done.
     
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    we will continue to see these rights violations, and it's only going to get worse and we more quicky approach communism in this country.
     
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    If they try coming into my home uninvited (or unlawfully), they would most likely be staring down the barrel of a gun. If I had no guns, then they would have the hardest time getting me out of my house. I'd also be sure to tear a hole in their "protective suit".

    They could fine me if they wanted to, they wouldn't be able to get that much out of me, especially if the swine flu is as bad as they are saying it is. Putting me in jail would only seem to cause the flu to spread. Think about it. If I'm put into a squad car or even a paddy wagon with others, then get booked by corrections officers, wouldn't that increase the possibility of spreading the flu?

    Wouldn't it be safer to just keep the "infected" at home? This way they wouldn't have contact with nearly as many people & wouldn't risk spreading it to others.
     
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    If I and or a family member is sick with this then I would have no issue with quarantine.
     
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    That was one aspect of the Homeland Security Act I didn't like. Its necessary to have, but The House & Senate need to redo it. I don't have a problem with tapping into someone's conversation if a call is being made to a terrorist nation. I believe that bears watching. Once the evidence is there, then either with a warrant in hand or probable cause then they should be able to enter a person's home.
     
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    Can't ya just feel the love? They must have total control . . . to keep us safe.
     
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    Well, of course this has been done before. My mother had small pox and was "forcibly" quarantined. Are you saying that this was a bad idea or unconstitutional? If there is a public health emergency I think extreme methods are in order. You seem to disagree.
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    Is a smallpox quarantine false imprisonment?

    Crayton v. Larabee, 110 N. Rep. 355, 220 N.Y. 493 (N.Y. Ct. of App. 1917)

    In July of 1911 the board of health in Syracuse New York discovered that a woman living in a house close to Ms. Crayton had smallpox. Pursuant to its powers, the board of health quarantined the house of the infected woman as well as the house of Ms. Crayton on the basis that Ms. Crayton had been exposed to smallpox. The quarantine lasted from July 14 to July 29, 1911. Ms. Crayton brought suit against the officers of the board of health for wrongful imprisonment and other damages for advertising to the town that she had or had been exposed to "a loathsome disease, was unfit to be at large or pursue her occupation, and thereby deprived her of her earnings, injured her feelings, held her up to ridicule, and caused her to be shunned by her fellow citizens." Her second cause of action was based on the same facts and that the board of health and its agents did "the acts without probable or reasonable cause" and that she had "never had said disease and never had been exposed to said disease."

    The lower court held that "the quarantine was wrongful unless the plaintiff had been, in fact, exposed to the disease, and that the existence of a reasonable ground or cause for the judgement of the health officer, if it existed, that the public health required the quarantine did not relieve him and the defendants fulfilling his orders from liability to the plaintiff." The lower court found for Ms. Crayton and awarded her damages. The agents of the board of health appealed claiming that the statute authorized them to take such actions that, in their reasonable discretion, they found reasonably necessary to protect the public health of the city and that the trial court erroneously instructed the jury as to the law and meaning of the statute.

    The New York Court of Appeals, after interpreting the applicable statute determined that the statute did authorize the members of the board of health to take such action. They found "(t)he general authority to the health officer to absolutely quarantine in cases of the designated diseases wherever he deemed necessary was not intended to and does not confer upon him unlimited power and right to control persons and property" but that "conditions must exist which render, within reason and fair apprehension, his action essential for the preservation of the health of the public." The appellate court also found that a "mere error in judgement" cannot make the health officers liable to private individuals unless the actions are found to be "(u)nreasonable and arbitrary action in excess of his authority, causing injuries, supports his liability." The appellate court found that the statute required specific conditions to be present in order for the board of health to act in its capacity to maintain public health and safety:

    "The police power defines precise definition and rigid delimitation. We hold here that the ordinance was authorized, was legally adopted, was a reasonable and valid health regulation under the police power of the state, vesting in the health officer a stated discretionary power, which, if lawfully exercised, protected those exercising it against the consequent damages to person or property."

    The appellate court reversed the lower court's ruling and remanded the case for a new trial to determine upon the facts if the health officers had lawfully exercised their discretion in quarantining Ms. Crayton.
     
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    I may be feeling a little liberal.. but I have no problem with this... communities have always had the right to quarantine... this is just a bigger scale.
     
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    The difference, in this case, is the crisis has been manufactured in order to bring about more control. Especially in light of the controversy surrounding the origins of the virus and the dangers of the vaccine. I personally know medical professionals who are refusing to take or administer the vaccine. I read an article this week about Australian Insurance companies refusing to insure doctors who give the vaccine.
     
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    Did they also have the right to enter your home without a warrant or arrest you without a warrant because they think you may have done something wrong?
     
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    The rights violations were much worse under Bush. You refuse to see them because you are so biased.
     
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