Political Correctness

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  1. Salty

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    When I went to High School, I was taught that you always use the masiculin pronoun if you do not know the gender of the person to whom you are refering.
    Now days to be PC, you hear phrases such as "He or she will teach Sunday School."

    Why are falling for this unnecessary speech. It is very awkard to hear the "he or she" pharse.

    How many of you fell into the L.E.F.T. (Liberal Education For Termonoligy) trap?

    How many of you are Politically Right, like myself?
     
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    The original politically incorrect SheEagle. [​IMG]
     
  3. I Am Blessed 24

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    When I see the phrase, he/she, it always reminds me of a cross-dresser. :rolleyes:
     
  4. stubbornkelly

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    Okay, I usually change the pronouns throughout. "He" doesn't include women anymore than "she" includes men. Sometimes I will use "he or she," but never "he/she" or "s/he." That's just bad grammar. ;)
     
  5. Scarlett O.

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    Sometimes I use the word "he" and sometimes I use the phrase "he or she". It depends on the context and/or the intended audience.

    And, by golly, it has nothing to do with political correctness!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

    I have been using the "he or she" phrase YEARS before I ever heard the term, "politically correct". And I do NOT associate the two phrases in any way.

    I don't believe it is necessary to openly and daily petition for political correctness, but I also don't believe that one should flee from it as if if were a rabid dog!!

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    When gender is mixed or unknown, why not "they" and "them"?

    It is not out of political correctness, but I do try to use inclusive language. It is out of fairness.

    I went to a presentation by Dr. Michael Newdow (yes the plaintiff in the Pledge of Allegiance case in the 9th Circuit), who advocated a word he made up... "re" for he or she. While such a word would be useful, that one just sounds silly to my ear.

    One gender word I find very useful is Ms. Why should we have Mr. that denotes any man, yet have different ones for women depending on marital status? Often we don't know anyway, so Ms. makes a very useful addition to the language when addressing a female.
     
  7. Scarlett O.

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    "They" and "them" are not substitutes for "he" and "she" because of singularity and plurality. But, thanks for trying to come up with an alternative.

    And I agree that the word, "re", is just plain stupid.

    Well, here's my death sentence. I'll probably get kicked off the board for this, but yes, I use the title, "Ms.", in front of my name and I have used it since I was 25.

    No, I am not a member of NOW and I don't smoke Virginia Slims. But I am not married, so that let's out "Mrs." and I feel that "Miss" is a title for pre-teen girl.

    "Ms." is the only title suitable for me as an unmarried woman in her 40's. I don't use it for controversy's sake or for the sake of political correctness, but for the sake of common sense.

    Well, I have caused enough trouble on this thread...

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    Remember Virginia Slims' slogan...

    "You've come a long way, baby!"

    Isn't that in itself demeaning? Baby? Excuse me?
    Apparently not a long way enough. Kind of ironic that a slogan ostensibly promoting women's progress uses such a term. [​IMG]

    In any case, we all know the real agenda...sell more cigarettes!!
     
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    Uh-oh, if it's a death sentence for you, it must be . . . I don't know, a fate worse than death for me. [​IMG] I've been using it since I was around 16, and I'm now 26. Not that I even use titles all that much anyway, but if I'm picking between "Miss" and "Ms," "Ms." will win every time.

    Of course, I am a member of NOW, but I don't smoke Virginia Slims, either. [​IMG]
     
  10. Mike McK

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    I always think the same thing when I see them refer to actresses as "actors", which seems to be popular right now.

    I saw an interview with Reese Witherspoon in which she corrected the intrviewer three times when he would call her an actor.
     
  11. Mike McK

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    If I don't know someone's gender, then I say "he".

    I refuse to call someone "African American" when this person, in all likelyhood, is many generations removed from Africa.

    You're either a Miss or a Mrs. There is no such word as "Ms".

    I believe in spanking.

    I don't care about my child's self esteem if it means sacrificing his character.

    If you burn yourself because you didn't know that coffee is hot, you're not a victim. You're a moron.


    Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns.

    I believe that liberals should be made to spend six months in the former Soviet Union so that they can see for themselves the results of their ideology.
     
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    Well, I always say them or they when referring to an unknown. Always have and always will.

    When I'm talking to some lady I don't know, it's either "Miss" for a younger lady, or "Ma'am" for an older lady.

    I guess it's a southern thing. I don't like to take the time to say "Missus" cuz "Miss" is much quicker. Besides that, with my accent, you wouldn't be able to tell anyway. :D

    Ms. is something I would NEVER say. It just sounds too feminist. With the "Mizz" sound, it makes it sound like she's an angry, liberal, feminist just waiting for me to say something chauvenist...which probably wouldn't take too long. :D

    When I hear a woman call herself "Mizz", I immediately assume that she's a member of NOW and every other ungodly woman's organization. I would immediately be on the wrong foot with her. Plus, I would call her Miss...with the overpronounced "SS"...just for spite. I guess I'm mean, huh? [​IMG]

    Actually, the terms Miss and Mrs. are supposed to show signs of respect for women. Ms. just makes them less important...at least to me...and half of the people I know.
     
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    You know, the sad thing is that this is true. :(
     
  14. Scarlett O.

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    I rest my case!!

    I am a conservative Christian and a card-carrying Republican. Most of you would consider me a meek and humble woman if you were to meet me. However...

    ...when I get on this board, sometimes I feel like a flaming leftist! [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Sometimes when I leave here I want to have a girl's sleep over and invite Hillary Clinton, Gloria Steinham, Helen Gurly Brown, and Truman Capote!!

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    You too, huh? I could say the same thing about myself. Well, except for the woman part.
     
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    Tell me about it Scarlett, John. And I've never understood those who have a need to be rude to others because those others think differently than they do. What's up with overaccentuating the "ss" in "Miss?" Rude.
     
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    I dunno. Maybe it's because I feel the need to show her her right place. Or, it could be because women like that get bent out of shape when you don't call them "Mizzzzzzz". I have always loved to upset femi-nazis. :D It makes me feel like I've knocked them down a couple of pegs. Especially, with all of this nonsense going on nowadays.

    "Chair-person" instead of Chairman
    "Fire-fighter" instead of Fireman
    "Police Officer" instead of Policeman
    "Actor" instead of Actress
    "Flight Attendant" instead of Stewardess

    Pretty soon, it will be:

    "Wo-person" instead of Woman

    Give me a break.
     
  18. Mike McK

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    Most firefighters I know would prefer "firefighter". I know I always did. Made it seem like I was working harder than I really was.

    They still have firemen on trains, don't they?
     
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    Which is? How does her choosing a neutral title have anything to do with "her place?"

    Not all women who prefer "Ms." are femi-nazis. I am not one, nor would I guess Scarlett is. I just don't want to be recognized by my marital status. My value is not placed there.

    If we were to meet face to face as strangers, I would actually expect you to call me "Kelly," not "Ms. Davis." But, if we were to use titles, and you insisted on calling me Miss, it wouldn't bend me out of shape, nor do I think it would most women who prefer "Ms." If I felt like it would matter, I might tell you which I preferred, and if you decided not to abide by my wishes on such a trivial matter, I would drop it. But the lack of respect you may show for me in preferring "Ms." would be matched by my own for you for 1) insisting on identifying me by my marital status, when that makes no difference and 2) being so obnoxious as to rudely make a big deal out of my preference in an attempt to subjugate me.

    But, as I've said, it's a trivial matter, which actually makes me wonder why anyone would make enough of a fuss about it as to be rude to another person.
     
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    I have chaired a few committees. It would be ludicrous for anyone to refer to me as the chairman. What's wrong with just "chair?"
     

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