Political Viewpoints

I never agree with
Joseph_Botwinick.

I guess there is a first for everything

 

I hardly watch tv anymore. Back before Star Trek was all reruns I watched it quite regular though. I knew what you meant by POV just trying out a little jocularity, it seemed kind of stuffy in here.

If you think Bush is a conservative OR methinks the definition has changed somewhat.

One entry found for conservatism.
Main Entry: con·ser·va·tism
Pronunciation: k&n-'s&r-v&-"ti-z&m
Function: noun
1 capitalized a : the principles and policies of a Conservative party b : the Conservative party
2 a : disposition in politics to preserve what is established b : a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change
3 : the tendency to prefer an existing or traditional situation to change

Merriam Webster

Nope the definition is what I thought it was and it doesn't describe George W. Bush.

How about liberal?

One entry found for liberalism.
Main Entry: lib·er·al·ism
Pronunciation: 'li-b(&-)r&-"li-z&m
Function: noun
1 : the quality or state of being liberal
2 a often capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity b : a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard c : a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties d capitalized : the principles and policies of a Liberal party.

Merriam Webster

Nope that doesn't quite fit either.

Machiavellian
2 entries found for Machiavellian.
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Main Entry: Ma·chi·a·vel·lian
Pronunciation: "ma-kE-&-'ve-lE-&n, -'vel-y&n
Function: adjective
Etymology: Niccolo Machiavelli
1 : of or relating to Machiavelli or Machiavellianism
2 : suggesting the principles of conduct laid down by Machiavelli; specifically : marked by cunning, duplicity, or bad faith
- Machiavellian noun

Merriam Webster

Machiavellian, yeah that describes him.

 

"Conservatism has a lot to do with free enterprise, little to do with Big Business."

This has changed, big business runs the government be it under republican or democrat control.

"Conservatism is individualism, which is to say, personal freedom."

Nope, conservatives seemed to have fallin into collectivism same as the liberals.

"But the individual has an obligation to use his freedom. never to abuse it, as some of our demonstrators of today have abused and debased the freedom of speech."

I agree with the first part, the second, well lets just say that all demonstrators are not evil or anti government or even liberals. That's a fallacy the "liberal media" which once again is owned and controlled by conservative corporatists like to put in peoples minds.

"The ideal state, says the conservative, is one which recognizes that freedom is not given to anybody by his government, but is protected by the laws of the land, as well as by the policeman on the corner. The state, as the conservative sees it, ought to be the servant and the convenience of the free citizen."

That's how I see it, apparently Clinton and Bush see it differently probably because both rely on the citizens being indoctrinated into collectivism for their policies to seem reasonable.

"The state is not even a leader, or should not be because it always fails in such efforts except in time of war."

Maybe this is why Goerge W. Bush wanted to be a "war president".

"The welfare laws have merely perpetuated the poverty and idleness of the supposed beneficiaries. While no conservative could be an anarchist, he would eternally be for a government that is as unobtrusive as possible."

That's what they say while creating more bureaucracies that just don't work or take to long to get into action and waste mountains of tax money. FEMA, Homeland Security?

"A good many conservatives — two or three in this volume — came to their present beliefs by way of Communism, the god that failed them. Not all of them embraced the Christian religion by way of reaction. As Buckley notes, it is possible for a conservative to disbelieve in a personal God, but it is impossible for a conservative to despise God. The surest synonym, — if there is any — for conservatism is morality. A man cannot be a materialist, or an egocentric, or utterly ruthless, or rudely arrogant and still qualify as a conservative."

Right, like I said Machiavellian. Pretending to be something you aren't in front of the cameras.

"Thus in a famous review of "Atlas Shrugged” Whittaker Chambers, then associate editor of the National Review, read Miss Ayn Rand, the author, completely out of the conservative movement. "Out of a lifetime of reading," Chambers wrote, "I can recall no other book in which the tone of overriding arrogance was so implacably sustained." And the National Review itself publicly excommunicated Robert Welch first because the editors found his conspiratorial theories to be unsound, and second because to keep silent about Mr. Welch under the circumstances might seem to give consent to his unsound ideas."

I'd need more reading to translate this. It's bedtime right now.

"I said that conservatism is a dissent, and you will find in this book that it is a dissent against ideas and persons that attempt to enslave the individual."

If this is what you hold too OR, why do you keep defending Bush?

[ December 28, 2005, 12:02 AM: Message edited by: poncho ]

 

This is a ridiculous poll. It's irrational and doesn't provide options for voting for one side or the othe. By the way, when did you stop beating your wife?

 

Whoever it is will absolutely wilt when they find out you know who voted how.

 

Because it was either him or Gore/Kerry. Enough said. </font>[/QUOTE]How conservative.

 

Because it was either him or Gore/Kerry. Enough said. </font>[/QUOTE]How conservative. </font>[/QUOTE]Perhaps I am a conservative like your definition: "disposition in politics to preserve what is established ". </font>[/QUOTE]Okay, then please explain just what it is that has been established and why you would want to preserve it.

 

Someone needs to let the President, and the majority of Congress know what Ben Franklin said, because they all seem to think we are a Democracy, and have been working for many years to move us closer to a Democracy. It doesn't look like we are heeding Mr. Franklins words, and keeping it.

 

Ditto. And, I might add, I don't hate him, but I do HATE the fact he hasn't found it necessary to protect our borders when we are fighting as Bush calls it (his words, not mine) "war on terrorism."

AND, the Road Map from Hell.

BTW, GW Bush is NOT a conservative. Poncho is right.

 

Well, we couldn't keep it. It's a democracy now.

 

On second thought, I don't think we have a democracy in the USA today. I'd have to say a kleptocracy would be more descriptive of the form of federal government we have in these United States.

 

Good one Ponch

 

What we have in the judicial branch is collectivist judges making rulings on a constitution written by individualists for individualists for the most part.

As far as oligarchy goes thats more of global proportions. As much as we'd all like to think that the POTUS and congress runs the country and writes the policies for America, nothing could be further from the truth. The last four administrations were loaded with "expert" policy advisors from two exclusive clubs of globalists that think national sovereignty and independent nation are dirty words. Both parties have a role to play in bringing the North American Community into being. Not much longer now and there will be no need for them to even pretend that America is an independent nation because it will be absorbed even further into the one world government than it is now.

The POTUS is nothing more than a vassal of the global autocrats. Doesn't matter how much less evil you vote for you are still voting for a figurehead that is controlled by un-American interests.