Politics aside, should Christians be glad that we went to war with Iraq?

Absolutely not.

 

No - I am NEVER glad when we have to go to war!

 

No

 

I am not glad. Bush's LIES put us in this war and it is the main reason I will not vote for him in November. I will gladly vote for Kerry!

And no C4K we did not have to go to war, we did so because our president said we were in danger from Iraq which has turned out to be a LIE.

 

From the OT God used many nations to bring His judgment upon other nations through the act of war. Seeing and learning of the atrocities Saddam and his regime laid upon the Kurds and how suppressed he kept his people, as a Christian, yes I’m glad we went to war and got rid of his regime.

 

All poltitics aside, the Iraqi people were an oppressed people. We liberated them from an oppressive regime. My own family (before I was born) lived under an oppressive regime, and US forces liberated the local peoples. My family likely would have been killed, and I likely might not be here, had the Americans not liberated the homeland of my family.

 

Yes I am happy we went to war. Am I happy about some of the bad things that happened as a result of the war...no. But I am certainly happy about liberated an oppressed people, and making America and the world a safer place without the Hussiens.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Yes.

 

No-

I do not accept the premise of pre-emptive war as a justification for this aggression.

Second, you cannot justify this war on a human rights basis on the one hand, while on the other granting China Most Favored Nation Trading Status.

Third, the execution of the war was brilliant. However, there was no exit strategy or post war plan. Further, Iraq is more apt to de-evolve into a bloody civil war than ever.

Fourth, the world is MORE unsafe (as far as terrorists are concerned) than ever.

Finally, at least Sadaam allowed Christianity in his country. He was secular. When the Shiite Moslems take over the government (as they will in a truly democratic vote) Christianity will be outlawed.

 

I would also add, you cannot justify a war on a human rights basis, while thousands of your own people are being butchered every year and you are not willing to fight for them.

 

I do. Perhaps, you would have liked for us to wait for Saddam to use those weapons or buy nuclear weapons on the black market before we did anything? I find it interesting that Bush detractors fault him for not being pre-emptive in Afganistan before 9-11 but blast him for being pre-emptive in Iraq. Sort of hypocritical. And yes, we have found some sarin gas and other weapons in Iraq.

Second, you cannot justify this war on a human rights basis on the one hand, while on the other granting China Most Favored Nation Trading Status. [/QUOTE]

The reverse is also true. You cannot justify looking the other way when dealing with human rights abuses just because it is done in China. Our policy with China is wrong morally. But, this is not unique with Bush. It has been morally wrong for decades. I think even Reagan endorsed good trade relations with China. Let's keep things in perspective here before we start blasting Bush too harshly. But, just because we have the wrong policy in China, doesn't make the right policy in Iraq wrong. Two wrong don't make a right.

Third, the execution of the war was brilliant. However, there was no exit strategy or post war plan. Further, Iraq is more apt to de-evolve into a bloody civil war than ever.[/QUOTE]

I would agree that Bush's exit strategy never took into account the lack of unity and support America would show for its troops who are in a combat zone. Perhaps, we as Americans could help Bush out by uniting behind our president and his troops that he commands and stop giving aid and comfort to embolden the enemy by whining like a bunch of impatient cowards. What do you say? Would you like to stop being part of the problem and possibly become part of the solution?

Fourth, the world is MORE unsafe (as far as terrorists are concerned) than ever.[/QUOTE]

It is always darkest before the dawn. But, unfortunately, Americans are such a fast food society (they want it all and they want it last week; they are impatient), that we are not willing to sacrifice and be patient enough to win the war. Perhaps, you could help change that and become a part of the solution instead of being part of the problem. What do you say?

Finally, at least Sadaam allowed Christianity in his country. He was secular. When the Shiite Moslems take over the government (as they will in a truly democratic vote) Christianity will be outlawed. [/QUOTE]

Interesting you should bring that up. It is no surprise that the Assyrian Christian Church thrived in Saddam's country seeing as one of his top officials, Tariq Azziz, was a member. It is also interesting to note that Saddam, a secular dictator who used Islamic extremist for his own purposes, also persecuted, tortured and murdered many Muslims during his Nazi like reign of terror. Perhaps, the Muslims who are left have pretty good reason to be suspicious of this Church. What do you think?

Joseph Botwinick

 

I do. Perhaps, you would have liked for us to wait for Saddam to use those weapons or buy nuclear weapons on the black market before we did anything? I find it interesting that Bush detractors fault him for not being pre-emptive in Afganistan before 9-11 but blast him for being pre-emptive in Iraq. Sort of hypocritical. And yes, we have found some sarin gas and other weapons in Iraq.

1. Sadam Hussein did not have the delivery system to deliver nuclear weapons that would harm the US. Nor did he have ANY warheads. You know that and so do I. The Bush administration got us into this war based on the NUCLEAR argument. They aren't there. We should have let the inspections continue. I have nor will I ever fault Bush for his pre 9-11 actions toward Afghanistan.

The reverse is also true. You cannot justify looking the other way when dealing with human rights abuses just because it is done in China. Our policy with China is wrong morally. But, this is not unique with Bush. It has been morally wrong for decades. I think even Reagan endorsed good trade relations with China. Let's keep things in perspective here before we start blasting Bush too harshly. But, just because we have the wrong policy in China, doesn't make the right policy in Iraq wrong. Two wrong don't make a right.

1. According to this logic, we should invade EVERY nation in the world that abuses human rights. We cannot. And you also know this. We went to Iraq because it sits upon nearly a fifth of the world's known oil supply. If not, why are we not in the Sudan or Rwanda or N.Korea where human rights abuses are far worse than those in Iraq.

I would agree that Bush's exit strategy never took into account the lack of unity and support America would show for its troops who are in a combat zone. Perhaps, we as Americans could help Bush out by uniting behind our president and his troops that he commands and stop giving aid and comfort to embolden the enemy by whining like a bunch of impatient cowards. What do you say? Would you like to stop being part of the problem and possibly become part of the solution

1. Bush never had a post war strategy. That people like me point this out are not traitorous, cowardly, or impatient. By the way, I served in the military and been stationed in harms way. Have you? I truly do not appreciate being called an impatient coward.

Finally, Hussein NEVER used the Christian Church as an implement to forward his murderous strategy on the Kurds.

I will NOT give my support to what I feel is an unconstitutional, unjustified war. I do not feel that aids and comforts the enemy in any way. Indeed, it is Bush and his cohorts that have handed Osama Bin Ladin exactly what he wanted. The region is more destabilized than it was before Bush was elected. OBL just gained a million more recruits.

 

Thank You for your service. You are still wrong. IMO, if you don't support American and America's Commander in Cheif, you are supporting the enemy. I don't care if you like it or not. That is my opinion. If you ever would like to become part of the solution instead of adding to the problem by playing along with the terrorists divide and conquer game, let me know. The Assyrian Christian Church may not have had any direct connection, but are certainly guilty by association by having a terrorist as their member. They certainly never tried to distance themselves from them.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Who are these million more recruits OBL just gained? What is your source? Are you saying that all Muslims are terrorists or potential terrorists? Are you saying that we are the reason these people hate us? That would be the "Blame America First" liberal philosophy. It is not our fault they hate us. The Extremists in the Middle East hated us long before 9-11 and the Iraq war, and to say otherwise is really just silliness bordering on the outer edges of insanity. A million Extremists didn't just wake up one day, and because of Iraq, decide to join the international Jihad against America. Come back to reality.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Joseph-

Please forgive me if I came off as a jerk or too strong in my response.

We truly believe differently on this issue.

We are still Christian brothers, however.

 

You can's say some one is not in reality because they disagree with you.

 

No problem. We can all come off pretty strong on this website from time to time (especially myself included). If you have indeed been saved, then we are indeed Christian brothers.

Joseph Botwinick

 

I see, Joseph. You are blaming America first. Instead of blaming those who are killing our young men and women, you choose to blame your fellow Americans to try to protect your precious George W. Bush from just criticism of his failing policy in Iraq.