Poll: For whom did Christ die?

Ok. But my name is Amy, not Marcia.

 

Tom, you first came here and posted a huge declaration and many responded to it. But, you were silent. That is trollish behavior. And, it is obvious that you do have an agenda. I am happy for you believe TULIP to be the absolute truth. That's fine. But, it appears that you are trying to teach and preach to us non TULIPS in a manner that is condescending and elitists. If I am wrong, then I apologize.

 

Then why in the world did you start the "debate" all over again?

 

Christ died for no one!

 

How bout this one Amy... Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.

 

I have only been on this forum for a short time, but, as of yet, every "discussion" I have perused, has always turned into a "debate" and usually not a very friendly one. Often reminds me of the playground as a child. The "my God is bigger or better than your God" thing.

 

But the OP question is not for whom does Jesus pray, but for whom did He die? Did you forget your own question?

 

But Christ would not die for those for whom He would not pray. He does not intercede nor is He the Advocate of those He does not pray for or die for.

 

It is clear in scripture that Christ died for all, but instead of some. The death of Christ is sufficient for the sins of all, but efficacious for the elect.

One cannot take isolated verses to say otherwise, but must understand verses in context of the whole of scripture.

Cheers,

Jim

 

And this would also raise the question as to why a man would question God when God says Christ died for ALL?

Just because the man does not understand the concept, cannot the man just believe it and wait on the Lord for understanding?

 

It is efficacious for those who believe.

 

Luke 23:34
Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.

 

Christ died for the children of Zion:

But the Jerusalem that is above is free, which is our mother. Gal 4:26

1 A Psalm of the sons of Korah; a Song. His foundation is in the holy mountains.
2 Jehovah loveth the gates of Zion More than all the dwellings of Jacob.
3 Glorious things are spoken of thee, O city of God. Selah
4 I will make mention of Rahab and Babylon as among them that know me: Behold, Philistia, and Tyre, with Ethiopia: This one was born there.
5 Yea, of Zion it shall be said, This one and that one was born in her; And the Most High himself will establish her.
6 Jehovah will count, when he writeth up the peoples, This one was born there. Selah
7 They that sing as well as they that dance shall say, All my fountains are in thee. Ps 87

Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith Jehovah. Isa 54:1

Glorious Things Of Thee Are Spoken
[Old School Hymnal; 1964 edition]

Glorious Things Of Thee Are Spoken
Glorious things of thee are spoken,
Zion, city of our God!
He, Whose Word cannot be broken,
Formed thee for His own abode.
On the Rock of Ages founded,
What can shake thy sure repose?
With salvation’s walls surrounded,
Thou may’st smile at all thy foes.

See! the streams of living waters,
Springing from eternal love;
Well supply thy sons and daughters,
And all fear of want remove:
Who can faint while such a river
Ever flows their thirst t’assuage?
Grace, which like the Lord, the Giver,
Never fails from age to age.

Round each habitation hovering,
See the cloud and fire appear!
For a glory and a cov’ring
Showing that the Lord is near.
Thus deriving from our banner
Light by night and shade by day;
Safe they feed upon the manna
Which He gives them when they pray.

Blest inhabitants of Zion,
Washed in the Redeemer’s blood!
Jesus, Whom their souls rely on,
Makes them kings and priests to God.
’Tis His love His people raises,
Over self to reign as kings,
And as priests, His solemn praises
Each for a thank offering brings.

Savior, if of Zion’s city,
I through grace a member am,
Let the world deride or pity,
I will glory in Thy Name.
Fading is the worldling’s pleasure,
All his boasted pomp and show;
Solid joys and lasting treasure
None but Zion’s children know.


Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born anew [FROM ABOVE]. The wind bloweth where it will...........so is every one that is born of the Spirit. Jn 3:7,8

 

On another note:

That's why I asked you to be my friend. You and I are exactly alike in that respect. As far as the encouragement thing goes, I suggest that you may be unrealistic if you expect any encouragement from a clique that exists on this board.

I for one greatly appreciate your posts, and although I may not always provide comment, I DO read them, and they DO have their affect, and I'm certain I'm not the only one. Bear that in mind, don't get discouraged, just keep putting the Word out there. You never know what God's gonna do with it. It may be Tom's articulation of a certain truth that finally turns the light on for someone and odd's are you'll probably never know of it or be thanked for it. I believe many preachers experience discouragements simply because of our unmindfulness to stop and take the time to comment or thank them.. IMO, it would please 'the clique' well if you were to leave. I'm not fond of debates either, but, it IS a debate forum, you know.

 

What clique are you talking about? Who's in it?