Poll on Doctrines of Grace and Free Will

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by CF1, Nov 12, 2010.

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Which view would describe your knowledge of Grace and Free Will best?

  1. Doctrines of Grace / Predestination / 5 Point Calvinism

    38 vote(s)
    55.1%
  2. Doctrines of Grace / Predestination / 4 Point Calvinism

    7 vote(s)
    10.1%
  3. Doctrines of Grace / Predestination / 3 Point Calvinism

    4 vote(s)
    5.8%
  4. Accepting a mixture of Grace and Free Will

    13 vote(s)
    18.8%
  5. Doctrines of Free Will + Eternal Security is Secure

    12 vote(s)
    17.4%
  6. Doctrines of Free Will / Full Arminianism

    3 vote(s)
    4.3%
  7. Open Theism (God can make up his mind later)

    3 vote(s)
    4.3%
  8. Don't believe we should summarize the Bible in terms above

    11 vote(s)
    15.9%
  9. Undecided / Have not really studied it enough to know what I believe with the terms above

    3 vote(s)
    4.3%
  10. A mixture of various views above (I checked multiple options)

    7 vote(s)
    10.1%
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  1. CF1

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    Sorry if this poll has already been done. I'm wondering how many of us generally lean toward which type of doctrines of Grace and Free Will. Please let me know. Thanks.
     
  2. jbh28

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    I don't think we have ever discuss this topic at all....:tongue3:;)

    Here are my beliefs.

    Total Depravity of Man
    1. Sin has affected every man and every part of man is affected. Man has the ability to do seemingly good things. We are made in the image of God. That image can be reflected even in an unsaved person. However, the unsaved person never does this to please God. He never seeks after God. Why? Because he has no desire to do so. Man sins because he chooses to sin. We choose based on our desires. We are born with a sinful nature.

    Unconditional Election
    2. God has elected certain individuals for salvation. This election is not based on anything man has done. It is not based on who would be good or bad, smart or dumb. You don't get saved because of your good sense. You don't get saved because you are smarter than the other guy. You get saved because of a work God does in your heart. No one gets saved without the drawing of God. He must be changed from the inside out.

    Regeneration
    3. Salvation is conditional while election is unconditional. Regeneration happens at salvation with faith and repentance. Your not regenerated without having faith. You don't have faith without regeneration. It's all part of salvation.

    Atonement
    4. The death of Christ on the cross was sufficient to save EVERY man. Every sin ever committed has had the payment that is required paid. If everyone was saved, nothing more would have had to be done by Jesus. It is sufficient for all. This doesn't mean that everyone will be saved. Only those whose faith is in Jesus Christ can be saved. Only these will have their sins effectually paid for. Sufficient for all, efficient for the elect.

    Irresistible Grace
    5. Those that are chosen will come to Him. They will do this willingly. Nobody is forced into salvation. In addition, nobody is forced into hell. Whosoever will may come. God will accept anybody that puts their faith in Jesus Christ. He will reject no one that truly puts their faith in Jesus.

    Perseverance of the Saints
    6. Those that are born again will be eternally saved. Jesus will lose no one. All that come will never be cast away. They will endure to the end, not because of their own power, but because Jesus Christ will keep us.
     
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  3. psalms109:31

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    Election

    I believe in the first fruit those chosen before the foundation of the world, those chosen in the womb.

    I also believe in those included with them those who heard the Gospel of their salvation having believed. This isn't new like those who were aliens living amoung them who believed God and had all males cirumcized.

    I can't put my hope in election, because of those who was cut out for unbelief.

    I can put my hope in Jesus and trust in Him, for He will not lose any He has been given. Those who trust in Him will not be disappointed.

    I will always be saved by grace and praise Jesus, because my penalty for my sin is death, not belief, not faith, or trust.
     
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  4. Old Union Brother

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    I put my hope in Jesus because he is my salvation.

    I believe that sinners are called to repentance.

    I will always be saved by the grace of God made manifest in the saving power of the blood of Christ.
     
  5. quantumfaith

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    :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
     
  6. psalms109:31

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    Good post I thought I would just add a comment.

    Romans 11:
    13But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,

    14if somehow I might move to jealousy my fellow countrymen and save some of them.

    Matthew 5:16
    In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.

    James 5:

    17 Elijah was a human being, even as we are. He prayed earnestly that it would not rain, and it did not rain on the land for three and a half years. 18 Again he prayed, and the heavens gave rain, and the earth produced its crops.

    19 My brothers and sisters, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring that person back, 20 remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins.

    There is nothing wrong with the letter I unless I is praising itself and not our Father in heaven.
     
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    This is one of the issues I'm still trying to work out. I'd never understood there was much of a debate up until a few years ago. Its part of what led me to reading this message board in hopes of understanding it better.

    I won't go into where the Lord leads me on each of the five points right now, but for the most part I think I lean more towards the Doctrines of Grace, and I voted 4 point.

    Our pastor is reformed. At a recent Wednesday night service he went over Ephesians 1:1-14. He said that he'd heard a pastor say one time that "On the outside of the gates of heaven "Whosoever Will Come" is painted, on the inside "For He Chose Us In Him" is painted. (Or something to that affect).

    God is sovereign, but man has responsibility too.
     
  8. Benjamin

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    Free Will with a Doctrine of Grace - other than the Deterministic Veiw which monopolizes the term. ;)
     
  9. kyredneck

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    ....by the grace of God I am what I am...

    It's all of God. Nothing from me.
     
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    "Accepting a mixture of Grace and Free Will"

    What a crock of luke warm goobly glock.
     
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    Ben is an indeterminate Hyper-Arminian type. :)
     
  12. quantumfaith

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    I could probably count myself as an "indeterminate type" who often succumbs to "gobblety gook". But, alas, at least in calculus we have L' Hospital's rule to assist us with "indeterminate" forms. Still searching for the help with the "gobblety gook" though. :smilewinkgrin:
     
  13. Old Union Brother

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    I totally understand.... I'm a math minor and my wife teaches high school calculus......:BangHead:
     
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    You have to say it right; it's not 'gobblety gook', it's 'goobly glock'.
     
  15. CF1

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    I remember that! It's in the book of Hesitations. Chapter 3, verse 16 :tongue3:

    You have a sense of humor so I'm just enjoying a good laugh together! Thanks for keeping us light-hearted. :tongue3:
     
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    :smilewinkgrin::smilewinkgrin::smilewinkgrin:
     
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    Free will

    Not of Calvin, or any other man. From the very first we find free will being given to Adam, and the woman, just as given to the Angels. Unless God has created more sons, free will is it, whether we may believe so or not.
     
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    So called free will falls under the absolute sovereignty of God in what is labelled the Permissive Will of God; "thus far an no further."

    Man is free to choose sin, and he does.

    There is a difference between Adam's beginning and after his fall. The penalty of sin was applied, and it was applied to all humanity born after Adam. Predestination and election is God's prerogative and not our free choice. Otherwise, God would not be sovereign. He would be at the mercy of puny men.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    I doubt if anybody here is arguing for unrestricted free will, because it observably doesn't exist.

    We may will to our hearts content to fly, but it is not in our nature or ability to fly.

    A bird, on the other hand, flies but can't type this sentence. And he flies where he wills to because it is the nature of a bird to fly.

    We operate freely within our natures. When we are lost, we may do anything we want within that fallen nature. When we are given a new nature at salvation, we also operate freely within that nature. We do what we desire, but our desires change when we're given a new nature.
     
  20. ituttut

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    ] Are you saying God was not sovereign before the fall, and was at the mercy of Adam, and the Angels?
     
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