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Discussion in 'History Forum' started by LadyEagle, Aug 3, 2004.
If you know the facts either way, please present them in the thread. Thanks.
I didn't know there were disputed "facts."
The internment was illegal and unwise. It also was costly and took thousands out of the West Coast war effort.
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Another sad aside is that many of the Japanese, faced with immediate removal, had to unload their homes, farms and businesses — often at pennies on the dollar and to the benefit of their Anglo neighbors.
There was a very beautiful movie (Old B/W) made about this time and had a white girl who had fallen in love with a Japanese young man. Can't remember the name of the movie but a good watch.
A shameful part of our history.
It can never happen again. Right?
As shameful as the Union actions along the Missouri border with Kansas evicting families and burning their farms to the ground. Or the Alien and Sedition act. The federal govt is prone to such abuses of power in wartime. All the more reason to be alert to it especially during war.
Or the razing of Atlanta.
It was another blunder of the democratic WH during WW2.
I'm no relativist but it hardly seems unthinkable in a nation that rounded up and/or killed most of the native inhabitants in order to make the way "safe for the railroads." And that greatest of American crimes was predominantly thru republican presidents. I think every age and every country has its atrocities - its just that Americans tend to think too highly of themselves to the point that we refuse to believe our country could be capable of such things. The fact is, our leaders are human and we are all too prone to the nationalist ferver and fear that grips people of all nationalities during times of crisis. We support them out of our insecurities and give away the very things we claim to hold most precious as a country - and we stamp our nationalist zeal with the thin veil of "patriotism" to hide our shame at being just like everybody else.
"Greatest of American crimes"? That's quite a statement.
You disagree that what was done to the Indians was a crime or that it wasn't the greatest to have been perpetrated by an American government?
LE, what do you think of Malkin's argument? You can probably guess what I think .
If Malkin is right, the WWII era administration was dangerously incompetent.
Defeating a spyring by forcing more than 110.000 people to move somewhere else? The cost of that operation hampered the US war effort significantly more than the actual damage that spyring could have ever caused.
On top of that they did not do it in Hawaï the only spot where that spyring might have done some real damage.
When Japanese forces sallied forth after Pearl, the West Coast of the US was in an uproar. While Japan's goal was only Midway Island (where they lost their best pilots/carriers), the very real threat was to Seattle or Long Beach.
I don't fault the US Government for being concerned (after Pearl Harbor and the proven spying there). We ALL fault the "overkill" method of Heart Mountain . . .
As it turns out, Japanese inturnment was wrong, mostly because their property was stolen by "real" Americans.
Sometime you gots to do something even if it is wrong - thus profiling Moslem males is 100% OK with me.
"the very real threat was to Seattle or Long Beach."
The very real threat was to Hawaiï not Seattle. What was the imperial army supposed to do, invade the continental US?
The measures taken to limit German and Italian access to US military facilities would have effectively hamstringed that spyring.
"I don't fault the US Government for being concerned"
It would have been disturbing if they hadden't been.
Ofcourse if that spyring truly was the reason behind the internment. Than it succeeded beyond the wildest dreams of the folks that set it up. The effort needed to round up, deport and guard 110.000 people (who with their 'guards' could not participate in the wareffort), caused decidedly more shortterm problems for the USA than a large spyring located on the westcoast would have done.