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poll where do you stand

Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by massdak, Jan 27, 2003.

  1. massdak

    massdak Active Member
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    you have a good point but it is obvious that all that social work and reporting about mother T, i never once seen her stress the foremost important issue that one must be born again in Christ, instead was more talk about good deeds and stressing social help and care.
    it is probably hard for many people to swallow the fact that a kind looking elderly motherly type of person with compassion on her face may in fact of been lost herself. it goes to show you sometimes how people cannot believe that the meanest sinner in prison may have in fact believed on the Lord Jesus and is born again where mother T wasn't.
     
  2. Sherrie

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    [ January 28, 2003, 11:31 PM: Message edited by: Sherrie ]
     
  3. Lorelei

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    I couldn't get past the first question. If I say unity is more important than doctrine I am wrong. If I say doctrine is more important than love I am wrong.

    Our doctrine should be based upon love, biblical love, not the world's definition of love. Love is not defined as unity at all costs. Love will never delight in evil but will rejoice with the truth. That statements means that I can not truly love someone and be unified with them if they are delighting in evil or teaching a false doctrine.

    The Lord says the first and second commandments were to love, first God then your neighbor. All we do should be motivated by true love, not some worldy definiton that means be nice.

    ~Lorelei
     
  4. Sherrie

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    [ January 28, 2003, 11:32 PM: Message edited by: Sherrie ]
     
  5. massdak

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    i am confused how did you get that kind of idea that the poll giver thinks to have more insight into the bible and issues of the bible as to trick others or sem smarter than others?

    could you please kindly tell me what i said for this type of judgement you have?
     
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    Well, I couldn't get past question 1...because the answer is both...a=b...one can't be more important than the other..because to do the first you have to follow the second. Oh well.
     
  7. massdak

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    if you read through the entire thread you will see my explination of that question
     
  8. Harald

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    In my opinion this was a challenging poll, and the poll maker should not be blamed for posting it. Why would some want to begin conjecturing as to the inward motives for his making and posting it? Such is uncalled for as I see it. It is interesting to observe that in general it is people who are opposed to biblical dogmatism and are prone to yell "judge not" who are among the first ones to begin judging and speculating and conjecturing about the inward motives of such who seek to be dogmatic in the sense that they oppose modernism and ecumenism and such ungodliness. What is that if not something pathetic. If the poll starter had stated something manifestly unbiblical I would have understood the questioning of his statement, but at a quick glance I spotted no such, yet some were quick to begin conjecturing about hidden motives of the heart. Such I cannot fathom.

    Harald
     
  9. Baptist Believer

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    As far as essentials go (the divinity of Jesus and the exclusivity of salvation found only in Christ) I agree. As far as non-essentials go, there can be unity of faith while at the same time respecting differences in interpretation.

    In my church, people believe have many different views about certain doctrines (Calvinism for one), but we have great harmony in our church because of the love we have for each other. That does not mean we overlook differences or think truth is meaningless, but instead we unite around our common faith in Christ and the shared experience of God working in our midst.
     
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    :confused:

    I’m not sure why you posted these verses as a response, but I certainly agree with them and they do not affect the points I have made.

    If you notice, fornicators, “effeminate” and adulterers are all lumped together as being equally wrong.

    Temptation to sin is not sin. Lust and sexual action is sin if it is homosexual or heterosexual outside the bonds of marriage.
     
  11. RomOne16

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    Well, I voted 'false' all the way through. I didn't see anything complicated about it. [​IMG] :D
     
  12. massdak

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    :confused:

    I’m not sure why you posted these verses as a response, but I certainly agree with them and they do not affect the points I have made.

    If you notice, fornicators, “effeminate” and adulterers are all lumped together as being equally wrong.

    Temptation to sin is not sin. Lust and sexual action is sin if it is homosexual or heterosexual outside the bonds of marriage.
    </font>[/QUOTE]i would be very suspect of going to your church if it condones marriage of homosexuals, for one it is against the law for a man to marry a man or a women to marry a women. i would be very suspect of doctrine that takes the clear teaching of the bible and tries to reconcile evolution and homosexual deathstyles as biblical
    give me a break would ya
     
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    i also wanted to thank you harald for your support on this issue.
    God bless
     
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    [ January 28, 2003, 11:29 PM: Message edited by: Sherrie ]
     
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    I was surprised to see this poll get 67 votes [​IMG]
     
  16. Baptist Believer

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    i would be very suspect of going to your church if it condones marriage of homosexuals, for one it is against the law for a man to marry a man or a women to marry a women. </font>[/QUOTE]Okay… you’re fairly new here I believe and the previous sentence is written in such a way that you could take it in a manner not intended. Furthermore you seem to be already suspicious of me (I assume I was referenced as one of the “more liberal” people in one of your earlier posts), so I can understand your misunderstanding of my intent…

    Let me reword my previous statement:

    Temptation to sin is not sin. Lust and sexual action is sin whether if it is homosexual, or heterosexual outside the bonds of marriage.

    Neither I or my church condone the marriage of homosexuals.

    Give me a little bit of a break too… :rolleyes: From the context of my posts that clearly stated that homosexual acts are sinful, you should have been able to recognize that I am not condoning homosexual marriage.

    And where did evolution enter this conversation? I’ve said nothing about evolution in this thread, yet you are criticizing my churches views on evolution! :confused: I’m pretty sure you don’t know either where I go to church or my church’s views, so I would appreciate it if you would withhold judgment.
     
  17. massdak

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    Ok first off I am not saying there is anything wrong with a poll.

    Second off I have not judged you

    Third off my concern for the above statement is because you started this poll off with your answer. Making it if anyone voted any other way they were wrong and you were correct.

    You made this poll tainted by your own answer first. I am not saying you are not intitled to your opinion, but you swayed the opinion of others by your opinion to start off by.

    Then because your answer was one way, your poll questions lean in your toward your answer.

    I have no quarrel with you sir, you are intitled to your opinion and I am mine. To me this poll is not as good as much of your other writings. As my answer to your poll was not to you.

    God bless and have a good day.

    Sherrie
    </font>[/QUOTE]sherrie first i think you danced around my question to you, but never mind. second i think you are now adding more problem by saying that i manipulated the poll somehow. dont fill out any polls unless you can be honest does that sound fair? and you have a nice day also and
    God bless

    and baptist believer i was generalizing an example of a church type that i would be suspect of, i have no idea how you or many of your church members would view evolution, but now as i think of it, it is probable that those who subscribe to homosexual agendas and liberal theology it wouldn't be surprising that those type churches would include a lot of doctrine as i have explained
     
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    Thank you, Massdak. I know nothing more about
    M. Theresa than that she was a nun, she worked
    hard, she fed and nursed people, and she strongly
    encouraged others to do the same. 8o)

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    Massdak, Preach, and Dr. Bob --

    I find it very difficult to judge another's salvation
    when I know nothing about them, and especially
    when they are not able to answer for themselves.
    Therefore, I answered that she was a believer,
    based upon my limited knowledge of her.

    My first husband, for example, became a believer
    while a teen--a very strong believer. But in time,
    he began to recognize some very disappointing
    things in our holiness-Arminian church, from the
    ideas taught to disappointment in people. He quit
    attending. When he was killed, he had not been
    inside a church for years.

    Normally, this would have been a real holiness-
    Arminian bear of a funeral, because in their minds,
    he was not a believer anymore. But I knew about
    his disappointments, and I knew what he was at
    home, especially during the last days before he
    died. Regardless, the pastor called upon another
    pastor to help him word the funeral just right, in
    order to cover the bases. 8o)

    Also, my sister found the Lord in a Catholic church,
    although she did not stay long, so I cannot say
    that this is impossible.

    This is why I do not feel qualified to judge M.
    Theresa. Who knows what could have happened
    since she did the things you wrote? Since we
    cannot know the truth, and must rest upon mere
    conjecture (which has Zero value!), I would rather
    trust our God that He, in His wisdom, simply
    placed M. Theresa where she deserved to be.
     
  19. Baptist Believer

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    Hmm… So you did not misinterpret my response to be an endorsement of homosexual marriage? Or did you misinterpret my response as an endorsement of homosexual marriage and then immediately shift to a hypothetical church situation?

    Are you saying that the words “your church” doesn’t really refer to my church but to a hypothetical church out there somewhere?

    I’m not sure I understand your response. :confused:

    (Edited to add a sentence for clarification.)

    [ January 28, 2003, 04:19 PM: Message edited by: Baptist Believer ]
     
  20. massdak

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    hello abiyah how are you
    i understand your assessment but i still disagree with you on this.
    you are also making a judgment call on your belief that she was a Christian. is this based on her good works you think? you may have a different opinion if you looked more into her strong belief system. it is true that one can be saved in the twilight hours of their life that would not be privy to people other then what legacy they left.
    it is always possible that our judgments can be wrong, but making the judgments are not wrong in light of dividing the truth in ones belief system.
     
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