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Poll: Which NT Text?

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by franklinmonroe, Jan 19, 2007.

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What is your position on NT Greek critical texts?

  1. I am TR-only

    6 vote(s)
    20.0%

  2. I prefer the TR, or, I prefer the TR & reject the Alexandrian

    5 vote(s)
    16.7%

  3. I am Majority (Byzantine) Text-only

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  4. I prefer the Majority (Byz.) Text, or, I prefer the MT & reject the ET

    5 vote(s)
    16.7%

  5. I am Eclectic (Alexandrian) Text-only

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  6. I prefer Eclectic (Alex.) Text, or, I prefer ET & reject the TR

    3 vote(s)
    10.0%

  7. I am undecided, I don't know, and, I take no position

    1 vote(s)
    3.3%

  8. I don't care, it doesn't matter, and, its not important

    1 vote(s)
    3.3%

  9. I don't have a strong preference because all critical texts are valid

    6 vote(s)
    20.0%

  10. My position is not represented in this poll

    3 vote(s)
    10.0%
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  1. franklinmonroe

    franklinmonroe Active Member

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    My first poll, perhaps I won't do it completely right. This topic has probably been done before but it is also likely that there are new folks, or ones that didn't particpate previously.
     
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  2. franklinmonroe

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    It is surprising to me that so few have voted thus far.
     
    #2 franklinmonroe, Jan 22, 2007
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    I voted for the ET, but I do not "reject the TR" (or the MT).
     
    #3 rsr, Jan 22, 2007
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    Theres a bit of a misunderstanding in the choices offered.

    "Eclectic" does not mean "Alexandrian".
    Neither does it mean anti-Byzantine/textus receptus

    The definition of eclectic is:
    1. varied: made up of parts from various sources
    2. choosing from various sources: choosing what is best or preferred from a variety of sources or styles.

    The Eclectic (or Critical text) weighs all available witnesses to the biblical text and doesn't use any single textform.

    The textus receptus was developed from a limited group of mostly Byzantine manuscripts.

    The general principle behind the Majority text is to count manuscripts and follow the majority of them.
    In most cases the Majority text follows the Byzantine textform.

    Rob
     
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  5. franklinmonroe

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    Sorry. Let me try to explain...

    First, these critical text are know by many terms. While all critical texts are somewhat "eclectic", I thought that many folks related that term primarily with the Alexandrian, or 'minority' texts. It was an attempt in labeling a moving target.

    Second, there was only ten possible positions in the poll. Every combination could not be listed separately, so some that were closely related were combined. It is OK that the votes of some folks that prefer a text and also reject another, will be combined with others that do not reject that particular text. I felt that the positions were close enough and would discredit the final results.
     
    #5 franklinmonroe, Jan 22, 2007
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    I think you will find that the people who use those terms when speaking about the Critical text have an agenda to push.

    Rob
     
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  7. Ed Edwards

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    It is my experience that if you get x votes on a hidden vote poll,
    you will get 1/3 of x votes on an open vote poll.

    It is my experience that if you get x votes on a one vote poll,
    you would have gotten 3 votes on a multiple vote poll
    (some people evidently assume that you can only vote once.
    But the one vote polls have a different style voting than
    a multi-vote poll.
     
    #7 Ed Edwards, Jan 22, 2007
  8. franklinmonroe

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    Thanks, Ed. I knew I should have consulted you before doing this.:thumbs:
     
    #8 franklinmonroe, Jan 23, 2007
  9. Ed Edwards

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    Oh well, It is nice to have a poll that I don't have to maintain :sleep:
     
    #9 Ed Edwards, Jan 23, 2007
  10. Dr. Bob

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    I was a little befuddled, too, with the thought some might consider EITHER the TR or CT as not "eclectic". Both certainly are.

    And the CT includes ALL texts of course. Including all the copies of copies of copies of copies in the Eastern Orthodox tradition.
     
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  11. franklinmonroe

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    Dr. Bob, you use "CT" to mean "Critical Text", am I right? The TR, MT, and the ET (Eclectic Text/Alexandrian) are all 'critical texts', are they not? I'm just trying to get the terminology right. Thanks
     
    #11 franklinmonroe, Jan 24, 2007
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    Thanks to all voters!
     
    #12 franklinmonroe, Jan 26, 2007
  13. franklinmonroe

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    I would be interested in hearing those positions that were not represented in this pole. The pole covers about 16 different possible responses (even though there are only 10 listings, some combine two, or even three related positions), yet I knew that there would some other views.
     
    #13 franklinmonroe, Jan 28, 2007
  14. Faith alone

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    Actually, too late, but my position is not represented in this poll.

    I have respect for all of the Greek text families. I once was majority text (the TR is of this family, but there should have been a distinction between the MT and the TR only). IMO the TR is a poor representative of the MT.

    IMO the poll needed to consider the TR, the MT and the CT. Many people do prefer the MT, but have problems with the TR due to the number of errors they perceive to be in that text.

    Now I am critical text (Alexandrian text), though I prefer Harry Sturz approach the best... which weighs all of the Greek texts.

    FA
     
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    I may be Progressive Conservative:tonofbricks:
     
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    The current mainstream "critical" text, the Nestle-Aland/UBS text, is basically the same as the Westcott-Hort text, which was basically the same as the Alexandrian Text. Kenneth Clark did a study on Mark in 1956 between the NA (21st ed.) and the W-H text, and found a total of only 89 variants, only 32 of which were "substantial" (i.e., word-order and what not), and of which only 12 involved a difference in meaning. I may be wrong, but I think the 27th edition is now even closer to W-H than before, and W-H is, by anyone's definition, an Alexandrian-type text.
     
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  17. franklinmonroe

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    I'll assume you voted for the last item in the list then. But FA, look again. The pole does independently consider the TR, the MT, and the ET (I didn't call it 'CT' because all three are critical texts). But more importantly, your position was offered in the pole (next to last one).
     
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  18. Faith alone

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    franklin,

    Thx. Actually, I voted as:

    I prefer Eclectic (Alex.) Text, or, I prefer ET & reject the TR

    This was the closest to my position. But what I really hold is a Sturz position, which wasn't represented. (Hold all texts equally - based on several factors)

    FA
     
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  19. franklinmonroe

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    Thanks voters!
     
    #19 franklinmonroe, Jan 30, 2007
  20. franklinmonroe

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    Simply amazing! The poll has been viewed over 300 times, but only 20 votes! Is this subject too intimidating?
     
    #20 franklinmonroe, Feb 2, 2007
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