Pope Ellen White CONTRADICTING Herself and scriptures

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    The scriptures;
    Daniel 7:10 (KJV)
    A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened

    Revelation 20:12 (KJV)
    And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works


    Let's now consult the infallible interpreter of both NT and OT;
    Great Controversy, Pope Ellen White, page 480-481

    According to EGW, the events described in Daniel 7:10 and Revelation 20:2 are one and the same.

    What's the problem with that?
    1. According to Adventism, the books opened in Daniel 7:10 is an ongoing heavenly judgement which started in 1844 and will terminate at Christ's return. They call it Investigative Judgement (IJ) and because it happens BEFORE Christ's second advent,it is pre-advent

    2. Revelation 20:12 books opened refer to an event after the resurrection of the saints (20:4) which is placed 1,000 years before.

    Adventists believe the resurrection of 20:4 is a literal event yet future and before it, the Investigative Judgement of Daniel 7:10 must be complete. So equating Rev 20:12, an event that happens AFTER the resurrection of 20:4 , to Daniel 7:10 is illogical

    A simple illustration;
    Adventists teach that;
    1844<~~~Dan 7:10 IJ~~~>Rev 20:4 Resurrection

    But in the above quote;
    1844<~~Dan 7:10/Rev 20:12 IJ~~~>Rev 20:4 Resurrection

    Were this a minor historical inaccuracy, or a grammar issue, she can be excused, but this is a foundational doctrine of Investigative Judgement.

    Let's watch how BobRyan wriggles out of this without charging White with falsehood,confusion and stupidity

    I can see in the spirit he is going to paste all colors of the rainbow, all fonts, and indents and wild and random verses. He will play dumb.....or he will just be the dumb thing an Adventist can be.

    This is no ad hominem. Once you submit to the inspired inerrancy of a personality be it Watchtower Society,Mary Eddy Baker,Joseph Smith or Ellen White, you can't even think of contradicting them. So the group's collective IQ is never higher than the founder's
     
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    Before you accuse me of semantics, please look at how the phrase 'same scene' is applied elsewhere on the same book

    Great Controversy, page 426.

    To Ellen White, 'same scene' means 'same event'
     
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    Great Controversy, Ellen White,Page 480-481

    More context.
    According to Ellen White,
    1. The scope of investigative judgement is limited to the 'professed people of God'
    2. The judgement of the wicked happens later, probably alluding to 20:12

    Let's for now 'agree' with IJ. Before somebody can be resurrected to life in Rev 20:4, their records must have been examined and they must have passed and are deemed fit to reign with Christ. So there is no way the IJ of the 'professed people of God' extends past their resurrection, past Rev 20:4.

    Nowhere in Revelation do we have books examined right up to 20:4 the resurrection of the righteous. And there is no symbol/allegory remotely resembling IJ between Rev 1:1 and Rev 20:4.

    The only time 'books were opened' in Rev is in 20:12. This is 1,000 years AFTER the resurrection of the saints in 20:4 and iris a judgement of the wicked not the 'professed people of God'.

    The Adventist (Pope White) desperate to relate Daniel's books opened with Revelation had nowhere to perch like Noah's dove. So she equates her pre-advent judgement of the 'professed people of God' with the post-advent 'judgement of the wicked'.

    The problem as we have pointed out, and something she readily admits is that the judgement of the wicked happens much later. #EpicConfusion
     
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    BobRyan, still around? Please attempt a rebuttal
     
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    Great Controversy, Page 485


    Great Controversy, Page 490

    I think two things are quite clear according to EGW;
    1.Investigative Judgement ends BEFORE Christ's return
    2. Investigative Judgement ends or at least is active in Revelation 20:12
     
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    Are you trying to be like 'savedbymercy' and post to yourself? :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    Yes.
    Any problem with that?
     

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