Featured Pope Francis gives church hundreds of new saints...

as opposed to say actor so and so has got new tattoo or a particular actress was found drunk and disorderly.....:thumbs:

 

....but they do serve as good role models for us!!! :thumbs:

 

Careful There...

Ya'll be careful there....don't break your arms patting yourselves on the back!

Bro.Greg:saint:

 

According to the NT Authors - who were living while Peter was alive and Christ was gone - who is stated to be the head of the church?

Who doe Christ say was to come as His "stand in" on earth in John 14 and John 16? Peter?

What text declares Peter to be the head of the church after the resurrection of Christ?

In Acts 15 Peter gives his opinion - but James renders his "decision". When that happens today in the Vatican - the one who merely gives opinion is not then followed by another who "renders the decision" if that person rendering it is not the Pope.

In 1Cor 3 Paul says "on THIS PETRA" all others build their teaching and doctrine - what "PETRA" is Paul speaking of in 1Cor 3 - after the resurrection of Christ? Peter?

I am surprised that you would ask for that historic review.

As we both know there were in fact 3 Papal LINES all active at one time - until Emperor Sigismund defrocked or forced the resignation of them ALL - and set up his OWN College of Cardinals - starting a NEW Papal line from which all modern Popes descend.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Nothing....!

NOTHING could be further from the truth as your last statement (and everything preceeding it!)The "pope" means absolutely NOTHING to real Bible-believing Christians. He is just another false head to a false church to those of us who truly believe and live by the Word of God and know Christ as the ONLY Saviour and the ONLY Mediator between God and man.

As to his "proclaiming" or "awarding" ANYBODY "sainthood"...he has no authority to do that that ONLY God can and does do to ALL who trust in the finished work of His precious Son,the Lord Jesus Christ. I thank God that He made me a Saint the moment I trusted Him. The immediate presense of His Holy Spirit sealed that for me. You can have and KEEP your "pope"....and all the other false church leaders beneath his ungodly rule as far as I'm concerned. I have the living Son of the Living God, His Word, and the promise of His coming to take me home. What more could anybody possibly need if they have that? Your false church and its false sacraments and "traditions" would not even qualify as a decent sloppy second to THAT. As far as I am concerned...the moderators of this Board have given those of you who are Catholic an incredible amount of "latitude" to spout your false and flawed doctrine in an almost unlimited fashion. I'll bet the Muslims wouldn't be so generous. I do hope though that somehow, someway, ya'll will find the error of your ways and come to the truth. For the record....I am baptist...but being baptist does not make anybody saved...anymore than being catholic could. The big difference is that you have a church hierarchy that is misleading you and obscuring the truth from you....I don't.

Bro.Greg:saint:

 

You view it throughh rcc brainwashing. Vicar in fact means substitute, in place of. Having Christ shine through us is not replacing him, so yes, that title is blasphemous. Nobofy bows to me, kisses my finger, refers to me as holy father and doesnt ask me to bless idols.

 

Vicar -

• (in the Roman Catholic Church) A representative or deputy of a bishop.
• (in the Episcopal Church) A clergyman in charge of a chapel.

An Ambassador - is one how serves and represents - but does not take the place of - and thus does not have the authority of the one he represents.


In 2Cor 5 Paul says that Christians are all "ambassadors" of Christ.





The Greek equivalent of the Latin 'vicis' is 'eiko'. Hence, the Latin phrase 'vicarius Christi' might be literally translated into Greek as 'eikon Christou', or "icon of Christ." http://members.aol.com/uticacw/baptist/o…


But Christ declared that instead of just sending out Christians as "Ambassadors" He was also going to send ANOTHER helper - another one - like Himself.

John 16

5 “But now I am going to Him who sent Me; and none of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’
6 But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart.
7 But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.
8 And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment;
9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me;
10 and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me;
11 and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.
12 “I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.
13 But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.
14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.
15 All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.

John 14
16 I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

17 that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.



in Christ,

Bob

 

Possibly a new thread subject - but given the statistics that the Baptists are shrinking in America and that the Catholics are growing at a rate of 1.49% in the south - would you care to tell us what the key motivators were for you to change from Baptist to Catholic?

in Christ,

Bob

 

Baptism is not a requirement for salvation and never was. It was an error introduced into Christianity somewhere around the third century or even later.
What must I do to be saved, the jailer said:
The answer was clear.
"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved."
There is no baptism involved. Baptism was never a requirement of salvation. It always came after salvation, as a step of obedience in the Christian faith, not a requirement before salvation.

 

Translation: I gave up biblical doctrine for heresy, fulfilling the prophecy of the great apostasy that occurs during the last days.

 

But see what happened only two verses later:

It was the very next thing. They didn't wait to see if the jailer's conversion was for real. They didn't wait until morning where the baptism could have been a public display. They baptized the jailer and his family (who may or may not have heard the gospel along with him). You have to read scripture with a view of what they actually did as well as what they said.

Baptismal regeneration was believed from the beginning--by Jesus, Paul, Peter, etc.--and it certainly is not an error.

 

No, he read scripture with an open mind under the leadership of the Holy Spirit. It's the likes of you, not the likes of him, who have apostatized. And I say this with complete charity. You don't realize how much you are overlooking in the Bible, not because you choose to ignore it but because you are conditioned to ignore it. There are passages and concepts that you never see, not because you skip over them but because you don't realize their significance.

 

Huh? 3rd Century? Funny, Justin Martyr says

or how about Theophilus 169-182 AD

Or Ireneaus

All of whom were before the 3rd Century.

 

There is not one indication of any person being baptized before they were saved or as a requirement of salvation; not one.
The jailer believed. Then they went to his house and he was baptized. His household first heard the gospel, were saved, and then were baptized.

The Ethiopian eunuch first believed, and then was baptized.

The 3,000 first believed and then were baptized.

Every example in the Bible: baptism is given after salvation--not before and not as a requirement. Baptismal regeneration is a heresy; a doctrine of demons.