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No contradiction there as there is earth at the sea bottom. Did you know that the salt content of the ocean and the human body is the same?

Yes, God was pre-existant.

I see no problem with Christ, God, making very good, old tasting wine from fresh water. I mean if God can make wine from water he can make it taste anyway he wants.

 

Yes, I am convinced that death existed prior to Adam. Death and entropy began the moment "finite things" were created. It is a natural property of creation. My position regarding the "death" spoken of both in Genesis and re-emphasized by Paul in the NT is the spiritual death and separation resulting from Adam's disobedience.

Hank, theistic scientists rarely suggest a completely natural evolving of life. They acknowledge the input, design and engineering of the Creator. Complete naturalism (i.e. no need for a god) is indeed anti-christian, anti-theological and anti-scripture.

Are you "comfortable" (not sure of the right word to use here) with the idea that God created with "apparent ancient" age in order to fool we humans or deceive our intellectual pursuits.

 

Our dating techniques are developed by man and with the assumption that things are millions of years old.

 

God killed an animal to clothe Adam & Eve and he required blood sacrifice for sins. I think "man bringing death" into the world means what it says. Spiritual death, physical death, I don't see any of it existing before the fall.

Of course a theistic evolutionist would have to believe there was death before the fall. I disagree.

 

Isn't it great that we can disagree even passionately and not disparage one another?

 

You do realize that exactly the same can be said of theology?

 

True. If you wish to place your faith in man, go ahead. I'll place my faith in God.

 

That is precisely the kind of remark that is unjustified and unnecessary.

 

I agree. I appreciate your grace & good attitude.

 

Blessings to you.

 

Personally, I don't have a "problem" with OEC folks as long as they don't have a problem with my YEC views.

Also, I'm not an adventist but the sabbath argument is a difficult one for the theistic evolutionist.

Exodus 20
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

The sabbath happens every 7th day, not every 7 millionth, billionth, etc...

HankD

 

Ditto the universe, He can make it "look" anyway He wants.

Its not deception because He sets the ground rules, one set for the laws of the creation of matter, one set for the maintenance of matter.

And admittedly, whether six days or six billion years, either way its an infinitesimal "drop" in the time bucket for God.

I have chosen the most incredible explanation (the literal) because He loves to do incredible things.

HankD

 

Let's get it correct JK, what I deny is your version and interpretation of truth.

 

The biggest problem with Theistic Evolution is that the Bible clearly states to us that God created and made all things after their own kind, ans that man was a special and direct creation of His!

 

Yes, I know that. The theistic evolutionist would make a different objection. e.g. how did the light from stars which are thousands, millions of light years away get here? How is it that we can even see these stars?

Etc, etc...

HankD

 

I think Dawkins is coming to grips with his mortality of late. He's gone from being an avowed atheist, to a professed agnostic, denying he was atheist, to now saying he is a secular Christian.

His pov on this matter then is skewed at best.
While there is nothing wrong with theistic evolution. Regardless of what he's like to think.

In matters pertaining to Pope Francis proclamation, this isn't new for the RCC.
The "Big Bang Theory" term was first proposed by Georges Lemaître. A Belgian Catholic priest and professor of physics and astronomy.

While Pope Pius X11, who is most remembered as having reigned during the Holocaust and did not condemn Hitler nor excommunicate him nor the other Catholics of the Reich, authored "Humani Generis". In which he said there is no intrinsic conflict between the theory of evolution and Christianity. Francis is simply reiterating what others in the church have avowed.

 

Thanks for sharing, I was not aware that Dawkins had made any adjustments in his militant atheism position.