Possible Reason the GOP Won't Fight Obama on Immigration

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  1. InTheLight

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    There are already some Republicans that are stating they don't think they can go after Obama on his executive order on immigration. Why is that? Why wouldn't they go to the mat over this?

    At the most basic level, Obama is directing the INS and Homeland Security to "look the other way" on certain immigrants, namely those that have been in the country since Jan. 1, 2010 and their children. He is selectively enforcing the very law that he is supposed to be upholding. That's why he said felons and newly illegals will have priority for deportation. He's picking and choosing who he will go after for deportation.

    One reason the Republicans might not go after Obama on the immigration issue is that they might want to use this same strategy for their pet legislative issues in the future that they can't solve. When the Republicans control the White House they want this executive action selective enforcement tool in their tool box. I was going to explain it, but I found this. Suppose Ted Cruz is President and he wants to get rid of ObamaCare. One way he could do it is by selectively enforcing the penalties for not following the mandate to buy coverage. Like this:

    From the Washington Post:
    It is 2017. Newly elected President Ted Cruz (R) insists he has won a mandate to repeal Obamacare. The Senate, narrowly back in Democratic hands, disagrees. Mr. Cruz instructs the Internal Revenue Service not to collect a fine from anyone who opts out of the individual mandate to buy health insurance, thereby neutering a key element of the program. It is a matter of prosecutorial discretion, Mr. Cruz explains; tax cheats are defrauding the government of billions, and he wants the IRS to concentrate on them. Of course, he is willing to modify his order as soon as Congress agrees to fix what he considers a “broken” health system.

    At the risk of sounding like Poncho, this seems an all too believable reason the Reps won't fight Obama on the executive action issue--they want that power for themselves.
     
  2. carpro

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    I think you're giving them more credit for the ability to plan ahead than they deserve.

    Politically speaking, the establishment republicans are deal makers, compromisers. They're dealing with an idealogue that will not compromise and they're afraid of the political price the party might pay for a government shutdown...and that's what it will take. It's all out war and they're still playing politics. In addition to that they need to make it plain that, excepting in the case of national security, not one nominee of any kind will come out of the senate for the next 2 years. None.

    The republicans with tea party associations are the only ones in congress willing to roll the dice and stand firm, regardless of the cost. But that is exactly what it will take to face down the wannabe dictator in the white house. If the weaklings will grow some backbone, they can beat him down to the point that all he has to do for the next 2 years is play golf. And good riddance.
     
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    I have heard it is also about the allocation of limited resources. Put more money in going after the bad guys/gals and less or none on those who have been and are law abiding and working folk.

    Kind of like, go after the murderers, the rapists, the burglers and don't worry so much about parking violations.
     
  4. InTheLight

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    What you just said is merely restating the new policy of the Obama administration. "Prosecutorial discretion". The INS and Homeland Security have huge budgets. Furthermore, I'm sure they know where millions of illegals are located and could go out and round up a hundred illegals a day. But they don't.
     
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    Let's say the suggested scenario plays out, all it proves is that we have a lawless government.
     
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    So spend a huge amount going after the bad guys/gals. Get the murders, rapists, burglars and don't worry about the parking violations.

    The Obama administration has deported more aliens then the previous administrations. Under Obama deportations are up and returns are down ... just what you should like. Be honest and give him credit for what you wanted to happen.

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  7. gigabyte71

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    Yes, nothing like trusting a government entity to report truth.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/04/21/lies-damned-lies-and-obamas-deportation-statistics/
     
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    .....In any case, the real lying here is from the administration itself. It should come as no surprise that they are playing games with statistics to create a false impression. It wasn’t enough that Obama inherited an infrastructure built up by the two previous administrations to deport many more illegal and criminal aliens than before — they had to lie in order to be able to boast of a “record level” of deportations. Representative Lamar Smith, House Judiciary chairman, has unearthed the facts on the Obama administration’s statistical lies.

    #more#First, a little necessary background: The people who count in the “removals” numbers (which is what administration flacks mean when they boast of “deportations”) are legal immigrants who’ve committed crimes or illegal aliens caught inside the country. (The immigration statistics yearbook says, “Removals are the compulsory and confirmed movement of an inadmissible or deportable alien out of the United States based on an order of removal. An alien who is removed has administrative or criminal consequences placed on subsequent reentry owing to the fact of the removal.”) Those numbers do not include “returns,” who are Mexicans caught sneaking in by the Border Patrol and dumped back across. (The yearbook again: “Returns are the confirmed movement of an inadmissible or deportable alien out of the United States not based on an order of removal. Most of the voluntary returns are of Mexican nationals who have been apprehended by the U.S. Border Patrol and are returned to Mexico.”)

    The reason this matters is that, as Representative Smith determined, the administration has started counting certain “returns” as “removals” in order to artificially inflate the numbers and create a “record level” of deportations. Specifically, those illegals caught by the Border Patrol who are shuttled to a different town along the border before they’re returned are being dishonestly counted as deportations. The point of this Alien Transfer Exit Program (ATEP) is to disrupt smuggling networks and make it harder to just keep crossing until you get through. But they’re still just returns, without any “administrative or criminal consequences placed on subsequent reentry.” This has falsely increased the number of total removals by more than 100,000 in the past two years. Smith noted, “When the numbers from this Border Patrol program are removed from this year’s deportation data, it shows that removals are actually down nearly 20% from 2009.”

    This is not just a case of spin or fudging or “political lying,” as VDH describes it below. This is pure fabrication. And, naturally, the MSM fall for it.



    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/316080/it-depends-what-meaning-br-deportations-mark-krikorian
     
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    For the last few years, the Obama Administration has claimed that it's deporting a record number of illegal aliens. But, the Administration is adding numbers to its overall deportation statistics that have not been historically included in the total number of annual deportations. Here's a look at how the Obama Administration has artificially inflated the number of deportations.

    Removal numbers have traditionally consisted of legal immigrants who have committed crimes, those who overstay visas, or illegal aliens caught inside the country.
    The immigration statistics yearbook states that removals are the compulsory and confirmed movement of an inadmissible or deportable alien out of the United States based on an order of removal.
    An alien who is removed has administrative or criminal consequences placed on subsequent reentry owing to the fact of the removal.
    In the past, removal numbers did not include “returns,” who are Mexican nationals caught illegally crossing the border by the Border Patrol and returned.
    According to the yearbook, returns are the confirmed movement of an inadmissible or deportable alien out of the United States not based on an order of removal.
    Most of the voluntary returns are of Mexican nationals who have been apprehended by the U.S. Border Patrol and are returned to Mexico.
    The Obama administration has started counting certain “returns” as “removals” in order to artificially inflate the numbers and create a “record level” of deportations. Specifically, those caught by the Border Patrol who are shuttled to a different town along the border before they are returned are being dishonestly counted as deportations. This has falsely increased the number of total removals by more than 100,000 for the past two years.
    In fact, if we count removals and returns together historically, then the Obama administration numbers are not close to “record-setting.” In the 1990s, the totals of returns and removals were well over one million. For example, according to the yearbook of immigration statistics, in 1996, removals and returns numbered more than 1.6 million, up from more than 1.3 million in 1995.
    In an October 2011 roundtable with Hispanic reporters, President Obama himself said the deportation numbers were artificially high because they include those caught at the border:
    “The statistics are actually a little deceptive because what we’ve been doing is, with the stronger border enforcement, we’ve been apprehending folks at the borders and sending them back. That is counted as a deportation, even though they may have only been held for a day or 48 hours, sent back – that’s counted as a deportation.”

    https://www.numbersusa.com/content/...stration-inflates-deportation-statistics.html

    https://www.numbersusa.com/content/files/Obama_Deportation_stats.pdf
     
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    ....The Washington Post Reveals the Fraud


    • In December 2010, the Washington Post revealed that U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) had included more than 19,000 illegal immigrants who had exited the country in the previous fiscal year in its deportation statistics for the current (2010) fiscal year.

    o On February 22, 2010, ICE Detention and Removal Operations issued a memo stating that, despite record deportations of criminals, the overall number of removals was down.

    o According to the memo, while ICE was on pace to achieve “the Agency goal of 150,000 criminal alien removals” for the year ending September 30th, total deportations were set to barely top 310,000, “well under the Agency’s goal of 400,000” and nearly 20 percent below the 2009 total of 387,000.

    o The memo also explained how ICE would inflate the number: increasing detention space to hold more illegal immigrants while they await deportation proceedings; sweeping prisons and jails to find more candidates for deportation and offering early release for those willing to go quickly; and a surge in efforts to catch illegal immigrants who lied on immigration or visa applications or reentered the U.S. after being deported.


    • The memo also encouraged field directors to “maximize” participation in the Mexican Interior Repatriation Program (MIRP), a bilaterally voluntary program


    https://www.numbersusa.com/content/files/Obama_Deportation_stats.pdf
     
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    His Imperial Majesty B.O. quoted Hebrew Scripture to make a political point, proving that imperialism will stoop to anything for politics.
     
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    Is this true of any president who has quoted scripture?
     
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    We haven't had any other presidents raised as a muslim.
     
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    President Dwight Eisenhower launched Operation Wetback!:thumbs:
     
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    Actually Congress, and that includes any patriotic democrats in Congress, has no choice but to contest O'Bamma's illegal action; that is if they want to remain relevant. Otherwise we can just disband Congress and save taxpayer money so that O'Bamma can have more to give to the plantation serfs.
     
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    And the New Republic is the infallible mouthpiece of the leftist democrats?
     

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