In order to be fair for challenging pre-tribs to defend their position, I shall do the same for the post-trib position: Here is a start: When we will we all be changed (obviously in reference to the same event in I Thes 4)? At the *last* trump. When is the last trump? According to the Revelation and, more signficantly, Matt 24, the last trump comes immediately after the Great Trib. Thus, the rapture is posttrib. Doesn't get much more explicit than this. When does the gathering of believers take place? Jesus says *after* the Great Trib. Don't think this is in reference to the rapture? Then compare to this: Notice the elements are almost identical to the event in Matt 24 which occurs *after* the GT. Then also compare these: Both the rapture of I Thes 4 and the second coming of Matt 24 are referred to as coming like a thief.