pray obama fails?

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  1. Ps104_33

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    Many American Christians believe, as an article of faith, that we are to pray for the success of our leaders.
    It has become a sort of conventional wisdom among soft-minded believers. The biblical proof-text for this misguided way of thinking is Romans 13:1-4:
    "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
    "Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
    "For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
    "For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil."
    What could be more clear-cut? At face value, it would seem the Bible is telling us government is a God-ordained good and that we are not to resist its terrors.
    Many a coward has been bolstered in his conviction against challenging tyranny by not reading too deeply into the Scriptures. Yet, nowhere does the Bible ever suggest evil rulers are to be obeyed. When the rule of men conflicts with the commands of God, the Bible leaves no doubt about where we should stand.
    That's why I do not hesitate today in calling on godly Americans to pray that Barack Hussein Obama fail in his efforts to change our country from one anchored on self-governance and constitutional republicanism to one based on the raw and unlimited power of the central state.
    It would be folly to pray for his success in such an evil campaign.
    I want Obama to fail because his agenda is 100 percent at odds with God's. Pretending it is not simply makes a mockery of God's straightforward Commandments.
    So you will not see me joining in the ritual of affirming Obama and his mission in public or private prayer this week – or any other week.
    Instead, I uphold the words of Jesus in Matthew 15:14: "Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch." And I take warning from Isaiah 9:16: "For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are led of them are destroyed."
    And please don't tell me about "rendering unto Caesar."
    It's important to consider the circumstances and the audience behind Jesus' instructions to "render unto Caesar." The Sadducees were attempting to trap Jesus into advocating open contempt for Caesar. He recognized their wicked and hypocritical little game and answered them with a totally truthful response that astonished everyone.
    But think about it. There are two components to Jesus' words. We are to "render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's," but we are also to "render unto God the things that are God's." Well, everything ultimately belongs to God. But, most of all, this injunction by Jesus instructs us that government laws cannot trump God's laws – ever.
    If government commands you to do evil, as a Christian you must resist. There is no alternative. Citing the "render unto Caesar" line is an apologetic for accountability to God – nothing more, nothing less.
    Furthermore, it needs to be pointed out that in America we don't have a Caesar. Never have, never will. You see, our system of government is called a free republic, and it is based on the concept of constitutional self-government. We have no "rulers" in America – except ourselves and our God. We believe in the rule of law, not the rule of men.
    This is an important distinction, not a semantic one.
    Nowhere in the Bible does it teach us to obey evil rulers. Nowhere.
    This is a time for principled biblical resistance, not phony Christian appeasement.
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    I believe you are nuts! Others on here might put it more eloquently then I but your writing shows your ignorance of the Word of God. Explain ISam.26:9. I didn't vote for BO but it is our command by God to pray fo him.
     
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    LOL, why would anyone in their right mind pray he fails. If he fails it's our country, our families who suffer and pay the penality.

    No, it works.
     
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    I pray for our leaders, regardless of whether or not I voted for them. I do pray for the salvation of our country, though, and if that means that Obama will fail, then so be it. I would say that about any person/politician.
     
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    That's like praying if I had a pornography problem, that God makes me blind. Stupid.

    I pray that God's will be done, regardless who's president.
     
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    ==I agree 100%. I can't imagine Mr. Washington, Mr. Adams, Mr. Jefferson, Mr. Hamilton, Mr. Franklin, Mr. Jay, (etc) would be happy with people praying that any America president fails. We should pray that God will bless and protect America. We should pray that Mr. Obama has a change of heart on issues such as abortion and homosexuality. We should pray that Mr. Obama and his famiily are kept safe and that our country returns to her greatness.
     
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    Not only is this an unBiblical statement its ultimately unAmerican. We are in perhaps the greatest financial and economic crisis in history maybe even greater than the great Depression. After the failure by George W. Bush to successfully stop or then address this crisis we've come down to the critical hour for the great American experiment.

    If Obama fails, America fails. We go down like so many great nations in the past, Rome, England, Spain, France, Germany, etc. If you want America to be a failed experiment which slips into the shows of history then pray that Obama fails.
     
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    PS104_33 Has flipped out ! Seek help soon !!!!
     
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    Praying for Barack, Michelle, Malia and Sasha.. What an awesome day for them...

    What an awesome day for the US.

    I don't like his policies.. but he is my president. and will actively pray for him.

    I pray that he will allow God to lead him.
     
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    Amen tinytim !!! I know you don't like the guy or agree with his policies, but you just made a call to do the RIGHT thing ! Praise God !!!
     
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    Excellent stuff, PS. I see no scripture that tells us to support wicked rulers.

    That I agree with. I pray Obama repents from his desire to feed the lazy, abortion on demand, and affirmation of the gay lifestyle.
     
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    Excellent post. You set a great example.

    I trust I will be able to pray for him as our leader for the next four years :).
     
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    ...yet Christ stated (in Scripture) give unto God what is God's, and to Ceasar what is Ceasar. Sounds like support to me.
     
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    I didnt write the article. As you can plainly see, I provided the link. You all seemed to totally miss the point. I knew I should have posted this in the political forum. By praying that Obama succeeds you are praying for legal abortion, gays in the military, and a complete and total change to European style socialism. I want him to succeed if he implements conservative princples. I am sorry that you all missed the point. Especially you Tiny Tim. Thank you bro curtis for bringing sanity to this discussion.
     
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    You obviously didnt read the story.
     
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    That is a non sequitur. Praying that Obama succeeds does not mean one is praying for abortion, gays in the military, etc.

    If I pray that you succeed in your ministry, and you fall into sin, am I praying for you to sin?
     
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    I did, and my reply was not pertaining to the OP, but to a statemnt stating Scripture does not say to support wicked rulers.
     
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    How ironic. You accuse me of a non-seqitar then you do like wise.
    If you announce that your ministry was to push abortion should I pray for you to succeed?
     
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    I was showing you how ridiculous your comment really was.

    His role of president is to lead America in one of three branches of our government. That's what a president does.
     
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    You didnt answer my question. I am not surprised. Look at Obamas platform and then tell me if you want him to succeed.
     

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