Pre-Flood world???

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  1. JeffM

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    I've heard some creationist say that the pre-Flood world was completely different in many ways, including the size of things.

    They say that man was quite a bit taller than modern man and the patriarchs of the Genesis could have well been over 14 feet tall.

    Which leads me to my question. Do you think the Giant Redwoods in California are survivors of the pre-flood world?
     
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    There's no evidence to suggest either way. Presuming a literal worldwide flood to be, say 4000 to 5000 years ago or so, we clearly have evidence of Redwoods existing prior to that and after that in their current condition. But we also have evidence to show most other trees in their current form existing prior to that and after that. We also have evidence to show that humans in their current form (and current form only) existed prior to that and after that. The same is true for probably 95% or more of all currently living life forms.
     
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    The Lord Jesus Christ created the universe approximately 6000 years ago, ex nihilo (out of nothing) in six literal, twenty-four hour days. Then, approximately 4400 years ago, the earth was destroyed by a worldwide Flood.

    The oldest living tree in the world is about 4300 years old.
     
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    Abraham at 14'2" and no NBA? Not that would just be sad.

    Where do folks come up with this stuff?

    (BTW, we have mummies, suits of armour, helmets, et al that show from 2000 BCE the average height of the mature male - soldier - was about 5'1". I was surprised that this changed little until 1500 CE and even then just a few inches until the 20th Century!)
     
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    I'm wondering where you base this on? May I have the verse please. Because everything I have read leads me to believe that the time period was more like 1000 years. I've never seen anything in my Bible that says 24 hours in anything :-(. Help me out please [​IMG]
     
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    The first verses of Creation go thru a alful lot of trouble describing a day. You have three desriptive words the Evening and Morning was the First Day. So from sunset to sunset was the first day. You also have the number of the day first. If they day was not day and 1000yrs than Jonah would have been even more unhappy while in the belly of the Whale for 3000yrs. And Moses who wrote Genesis would have been on Mt. Sinai for a long time. Exodus 30:17 says again in six days God made the Heavens and the Earth.
     
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    I remember when the minimum height requirement to join the Armed Forces of the Philippines and the police was 5 feet 2 inches. 6 feet tall was considered gigantic back in the late 50's in my country.
     
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    I can understand this but, if from sunrise to sun set was the first day ....... umm wouldn't that be 12 hours? The point being we have no exact measurement, nor do we need it. I was going with the theroy that that was "God's time". Being God's time, It could be anything. Fact is we can debate it but, we are not going to know until we reach the pearly gates [​IMG]
     
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    We don't have to wait until we get to the pearly gates. God has already told us how long He took in creating the world. In Ex. 20:11, the Bible says that God made the univers in 6 days and rested the seventh, that is why the 4th commandment says to remember the Sabbath and keep it holy. Ex. 20:8-11 would make no sense if the days of creation are not literal 24-hr days.

    Of course, evening and morning -- night and day -- in Genesis 1 refers to 24-hr days as well.

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    "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD" - Isaiah 55:8
     
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    (I can understand this but, if from sunrise to sun set was the first day ....... umm wouldn't that be 12 hours? The point being we have no exact measurement, nor do we need it. I was going with the theroy that that was "God's time". Being God's time, It could be anything. Fact is we can debate it but, we are not going to know until we reach the pearly gates)

    It is Sunset to Sunset. Plus God is outside of Time He created it for use to go by 6days to labor and the 7th to rest not 6000yrs to labor and 1000yrs to rest.

    The Jews reckoned the day from sunset to sunset
     
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    Right, man would not have imagined that the world could come into existence in 6 24-hr time periods. A literal 6 24-hr day creation period are not man's thoughts, they are God's thoughts and His revelation to us.

    Andy
     
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    My point is mearly this, God's time is his time. He dosen't live on our 24 hour day sch. He said we're living in the last day's. If days to God are as they are to us and every day described in the Bible is 24 hours. Then how come we are still here? It's been close to 2000 years since Christ paid the ultimate price, and it was described to us as the last days. You have to remember everything is according to him. Not what we precieve it to be. [​IMG]

    [ May 22, 2004, 01:33 PM: Message edited by: Lea ]
     
  15. Jacob Webber

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    You have to take the meaning with the context of the verse. Like the following:

    My dad spent day and night in the field the first day of the week.

    This means one 24hr day

    In my dads day they spent days in the field.

    These means when in a span of time of my dads life he spent in fields.

    When we are told we are in the end days that just means we are getting closer to the end it could take thousands of years.
     
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    Lea said that God is outside of time and His time is not our time. But God gave us the scriptures for us. He knows that we are bound by our time, and we perceive things in 24 hours. God who is writing to us about how the creation took place would not be using His personal understanding of time, but would be using our definition of time so we can understand what he is teaching us. Otherwise, why not just rip Genesis 1 out of the Bible and throw it in the Garbage.

    I will stand by the Sunset to Sunset as a literal description of God's creation procedure.

    At the very least---it's the savest position to hold to doctrinally. Why do people so try to redefine Scripture instead of having Faith.

    Very curious that.....


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    No.
     
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    A couple of notes here, if I may:

    Jeff, everything, in one way or another, is a survivor of the Flood genetically. There would have been a great deal more variation available in both plant and animal genomes before the bottleneck of the Flood, so yes,
    SOME people could easily have been quite tall before the Flood, although our musculature and bone and circulatory systems would all put a limit on the possibilities. There may well have been extremely short men before the Flood, too!

    The redwoods/Sequoias, individually, are not Flood survivors. They may well, however, be far more direct descendent than anything else alive today!

    Secondly, as for the creation week, yes, Lea, there was a Creation Week. It was seven days long -- days as you and I know them. The idea of 'sunrise' and 'sunset' on the first three or four days is impossible, however, as our sun is not 'lit', or possibly even made, before day four. However, the references to 'evening' and 'morning' indicate the earth was rotating from the beginning, and that there was a directional light source, which caused the light during the day. As Jacob, I think, mentioned, Exodus makes direct reference to this period of time being days as we know them, for in the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20), we find that the Creation week becomes a pattern for man, that we should work six days and rest one, just as God did.

    It is true His ways are not our ways, but He does know how to communicate to us, clearly and simply. And we can believe Him. The two references in the Bible (in Psalms and 2 Peter) regarding a thousand years being but a day are "IN HIS SIGHT", meaning that He is simply not affected by time as we are. After all, He created time itself! But since He also created language, we can trust what He uses language to tell us.
     
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    God exists outside of time. He created it. Therefore in God's dimension there is no time. There is only eternity, which is not related to time, but is more like anti-time.
    When God says 6 days, why doubt it?
    Both the time and space were created by God.
    God is relating to us, not us to Him.
     
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    God exists outside of time. He created it. Therefore in God's dimension there is no time. There is only eternity, which is not related to time, but is more like anti-time.
    When God says 6 days, why doubt it?
    Both the time and space were created by God.
    God is relating to us, not us to Him.
    </font>[/QUOTE]Could you back up what you have just said with scripture? how me where God lives outside of time and that there is such a thing as antitime or are you giving an opinion or adding to scripture?
     

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