Pre-Trib Rapture; Scriptural or Dispensational Fiction

All the wicked do die Amy, just like the flood. The point is, the righteous are saved, the wicked die. All the wicked will die in the Great Tribulation as they did in the flood. Jesus said so as in the days of Noah...

Just so happens to be there were only 8 righteous at the time. It's hardly worse that there are many more today

 

Then why flee to the mountains?

 

Who's fleeing to the mountains?

 

Sorry, I didn't see the question.

Who did Jesus ID as being the "Son of perdition".

Ge 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed;

Are these seeds "plural" or "Singular"???

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Who are the two witnesses who appeared with Jesus on the Mt of transfiguration??

One prophecy can have a "DUAL" fulfillment, one "Spiritual" to cover Jesus's first coming, one "Literal" to cover his second coming,

"Preterist" see the spiritual, Church sees the "literal", few see both sides of the prophecy.

Day of the lord is when the messiah comes to Jerusalem, he's been there once, lacking "SPIRITUAL VISION" they didn't recognize him, but literal vision will be all they need when he returns.

 

Mat 24:16 Then let those in Judea flee into the mountains

 

Judas was ID as the "Son of perdition".

The "war" between the two "SONS" (Son of God, Son of Satan) end when Jesus destroys the AC (son of perdition) with the brighness of his coming,

but the war between the two "FATHERS", (God/Satan) doesn't end until after the MK and at the GWT.

Satan is only bound up when Jesus returns to destroy Satan's son.

yep.

because there's only two coming of Jesus "TO THE EARTH", in the rapture we meet him in the air, return to heaven.

Do you think God is going to allow the rebuild temple where the ABOD take place to remain standing, or destroyed as in 70AD???

Jer 25:33 And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground.

Mr 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved:

The first 69 weeks of Daniel's prophecy was "literal" (law and prophets)

Then "Spiritual", Jesus/Comforter/Holy Ghost/Church.

The last week of Daniel's prophecy (trib) is "literal", (Law and prophet/two witness/Moses (law giver) Elijah, (Prophet).

Leadership by both the Law and prophets and the "Comforter" (Jesus) can't function at the same time, same time frame, too many contradiction between them,

There's quite a list of them but an easy one to understand is that Satan must flee from Saints indwelled by the "COMFORTER", but with the rapture, the Comforter/church is gone,

As "Chastisement", satan is free to attack/prevail over those who become saints during the trib.

Ec 4:1 So I returned, and considered all the oppressions that are done under the sun: and behold the tears of such as were oppressed, and they had no comforter; and on the side of their oppressors there was power; but they had no comforter.

 

Was the prophecy that was given to Daniel for the Jews or the church?

I think it was for the Jews, since they are the ones that God sent the prophets to. So why should we think that the 70th week of Daniel has anything to do with the church? What purpose would God have in telling Daniel to prophesy to the Jews about the church, of which they could not have possibly been able to understand?

The 70th week must have been for the Jews and has nothing to do with the church.

 

Because the flood was sudden death for everyone outside of the ark.

In the great tribulation extreme suffering goes on for a protracted time with no escape by death until the appointed time.

Revelation 8
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.


RE: The start of the wrath of God:

This IMO is a generalized statement and even has a future tense “who shall be able to stand”

In Revelation 16:1 the command goes out in the imperative;
And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.​

There are exceptions to several verses “All have sinned and come short of the glory of God”, all except Jesus.

And in fact there would not be a king like Solomon even Jesus in that Jesus did not sin, nor would he ever.

So that is one way in which Jesus is/was unlike Solomon.

Personally I don’t think that in this case Jesus used a Hebraic idiom which crossed over into the koine although it does happen.


HankD

 

Well said, and this is why dispensationalism is the only thing that makes sense of all of Scripture.

 

The flood-rapture analogy doesn't fly. The eight righteous people were not taken away from the flood. The were preserved right smack-dab in the middle of it.

 

Actaully, they were shut up and away from any possible harm. Yes, there in a geographical sense not in actaully 'in' or apart of the judgment bestowed. Therefore let us ask the most interesting question, where were they? Were they not 'above' the death and destuction? Where they not in the 'heavens' (the sky) so to speak- because the water rose even above the mountain tops. Were they were removed from the wrath that was sent by God to destroy the ungodly.

The correlation that can be seen is interesting to say the least. I find Jesus own words about "many are called but few are chosen" to be an interesting correlation to Naoh's account as well. Where many were called but few were saved. But agian this is speculative imagry.

Just a fun note here though. If you check you scripture you will find that only Noah was called rightous, not the other seven.

Though scripture does say he was the 8th person on the Ark:

And then here is another strange thing, God did not remember the 8 after the flood to cause the waters to go down but only Noah.

 

Obviously, if the 69th week ended with the messiah being "cut off" and the 70th week doesn't begin until after the "Messiah/church" leaves the world, (rapture)

the church is not involved in Daniel's prophecy, which it "Very clearly states", "THY PEOPLE", Daniel's people, Jews.

Jesus/church was a "mystery" not revealed to Israel, clues about it are there, (OT) but have to be "Spiritually deciphered".

The disciples ask Jesus when he would restore Israel, he said it wasn't for "THEM" to know,

But it is for us, there's a two thousand year (two days) gap between the 69th and 70th week.

Ho 6:2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

with Israel (her branch) prophesied to be the last generation, and six days of work, another 'Day of rest" (MK) prophesied for the world,

Israel could only be restored within a generation of the end of that sixth day, 1948 is well within that time frame,

The 3th day (from Jesus) is the 7th day, or MK, when Jesus promise he would be back on the earth in the "FIRST RESURRECTION" and we would "ALL" live in his sight. (live and reign)

Everything is coming together, precisely as prophesied, even the "New world Order". (Banking Empire/can't buy/sell)

Got your bags packed??? :laugh:

 

I know the Scripture, I'm asking you "who" are fleeing to the mountains.