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Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by Preacher Boy88, Apr 12, 2005.
What's your opinion on woman preachers? For, against? Why?
My pastor tells the story of how he was in Times Square in the middle 70's. He and his wife were just visiting NY on a little get away. As they were walking he heard some body speaking loudly and investigated. He said there in the middle of Times Square was a tall black lady (and I emphasize lady) with her Bible out giving the crowd both barrels with the gospel gun. The crowd was very antagonistic and was even throwning things at the lady. My pastor left the area and all the way back to the hotel room he said that the Lord worked him over. He got to the room and could not live with it anymore and left immediately and went back to Times Square and stood beside the lady and amen'ed her and tried to encourage her until she finished. He said that the Lord told him in his heart that if the only messenger in New York was a tall black brave lady he should at least stand with her. He said he felt like he denied the Lord Jesus by leaving her alone.
I know you probably wanted to discuss the issue biblically but maybe this story will add a little salt.
Had I been there. I would have been next to her. Women preachers are fine. It's the pastorship which is forbidden.
In Christ Jesus,
My wife is quite a preacher, I understand. I have never heard her, but the ladies who have give rave reviews.
CR, let's think of women preachers we have known. The first two I can think of are the Frau Doctors Cedarholm and Hollowood. At my home church, we have a lady who has taught the primary Sunday School class for thirty some odd years.
Women preaching? No.
Women teaching? Yes.
I go even further in describing the lady in charge of the primary class. She pastors that class. Her class is below the radar of our senior pastor. So, she is the first in the pastoral line. But, the same can be said of every Sunday School teacher. As for the ladies I named, I'd only know about their preaching from my wife.
The Great Commission was given to all, and to all generations until His return. All are to preach the gospel. Personally, I prefer the men to preach the "hellfire and brimstone" style, and the ladies, well, you know, to preach more lady-like.
In Romans 16:1, Phoebe is called "diakonos" in Greek, which in English is "deacon". God can and does use all sorts of people of both genders to proclaim His Gospel & to fill the various offices in His churches.
Women preaching, yes.
Women pastors, no.
women pastoring: No
Women teaching: Sure
As soon as they figure out how they can be the husband of one wife, O.K. But then they would have to change the Scripture for that.
As I have heard so often....Here am I, Lord...send her............and off she goes to the mission field and preaches the word..even pastors churches until they built up and a man comes to take over.
I am ambivalent on the question. I have sat under a female minister in the Anglican Church and had no qualms about..She preached the word!
Maybe if more men filled the regular pews, we would have fewer female candidates.
Well, since there has not been much Bible given here, I'll show what the Bible says about women preachers.
1Ti 2:9 ¶ In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
Reminds me of the time a smart young seminary student who thought he had everything figured out asked a woman who had been a missionary for years about what gave her the right to be a woman missionary. She responded by saying, "If there weren't so many lazy men like you we wouldn't have to go."
The folowing is an excerpt from a letter I received as a pastor from the Foreign Mission Board of the SBC in response to some questions i had regarding the stance the SBC took. It was dated 1998.
"We do not appoint missionaries to the specific role of pastors, but rather to the more specifically missionary role of extending the Gospel to new areas through church planting. There would be some exceptions to this such as those who go to serve English language congregations. We would not appoint women for such roles.
We believe that there is no New Testament teaching which prohibit women from exercising other gifts of ministry such as evangelizing with the expectation that new congregations will come out of the ministry. This obviously means that we do not see the roles of pastor and church planter as being identical."
Didn't your mama ever teach you anything?
If you really want to conform more to what you believe the the Bible teaches then you must have the women sit in the back and the men in the front. Now if you really want to get scriptural: churches met in homes. There was no Sunday School. Early on all of the preaching and teaching was done in the synagogue. Better forget about any women teaching in youth ministries because those young boys would have been men in the time of the NT. The only person who ever taught then was the pastor. So we had not better have home Bible studies and Sunday Schools. Clearly that would be n violation of scripture according to you.
If you take a look at 1 Timothy 2:9 then the women must not wear a diamond ring. I know people who actually believe this.
I would take a little different slant on things. I believe a woman can teach under the authority of a pastor. But she should not be the pastor. But I do believe we will see more and more women pastors in the US because of too many men who are too lazy to get up and do ministry.
Sveral years ago I actually had a church call me and asked me to consider coming to their church. In our conversation the woman asked me if I went visiting. I told her I did. She said, "Good because the men in thew church are so busy working that they don't have time to visit." I told her that I had grwown up not far from her on a dairy farm getting up each morning at 3:30 AM and went to school during the week. Then I told her that she didn't need me as their pastor because if the men were too busy to do ministry then they were busier than God intended them to be.
Assoc pastor: No
Heading a church: No
Helping in the ministry: yes
Spreading the gospel: YES
*Women are a blessing as long as they know their place < -- I can feel the arrows as I type this LOL!!!!!!
*Just kidding ladies!
I know some wonderful godly women who are a blessing to the spreading of the gospel.
My wife writes my sermons!
Thought that might get your attention...
Actually she DOES!
As I dictate them to her while we are driving.
Couple years ago I was preaching in S. Georgia and the Lord gave me a message as we were traveling. I dictated it to my wife. After I preached it, the pastor wanted to know where I got my messages from and I told him my wife wrote that one. He thought I was kidding until I showed him the notes- in her handwriting.
Wonder if that is why he has never asked me to come back to preach???
I'll bet that gave him a wedgie!
In HIS service;
Amen qb93433. This is biblical and correct. There cannot be two heads as Paul vividly explains. Can man lift himself to the heights to be as Christ Jesus the head? Can the woman lift herself to the heights to be as man the head?
His Word to me seems very clear that in these bodies, we become one when the consummation of marriage is complete, and we then learn to live with each other, hopefully on as equals. The woman is correct in many cases, and the man is correct in many cases, but in a tie (which I have seldom been involved), the Godly woman will submit to her husband. Peter speaks on this particular subject on I Peter 3. Verse 5 & 6, ”For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands: 6. Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.” This needs no interpretation in saying her desire was to her husband. Sara knew her standing with God and with her husband. She was satisfied with God, and with her husband. That is her role in life. We believe as God wishes, or we don’t. .
In a Christian church, it is impossibility in the eyes and instruction of God, for a woman to dominate or teach a man from where man stands in the pulpit, expounding upon the Word of God. Jesus Christ is in heaven and has appointed man to stand in His stead in spreading the Gospel of Grace, through Faith, without works or hands of man. His Word to Paul is specific, and Paul is faithful in repeating what Christ from heaven revealed to Him. Christ is the head of the Body of Christ’s Church, and on earth He has appointed the man to be the Head of His Christian churches down here.
Those that argue otherwise will have some explaining to do as to why the don’t believe ” For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. 8. For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. 9. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man”, I Corinthians 11:7-9. I have interpreted nothing in the verses, and they say what they say. Is this what God said, or some man? Man told us this, but Christ Jesus from heaven told this man Paul to relay this message to us. We are to believe the Word of God.
The way I see this when a woman represents the church as the head of a church, which the Preacher or Pastor is, the woman is there for one purpose and one purpose only. To represent the man with HER GLORY, debasing the image and glory of God, the man.
I believe this ties into the acceptance of homosexuality being accepted now in all aspects of life. It is just unbelievable that this sin of confusion, and unbelief is now so prevalent today and exploding exponentially beyond containment. Why is this, and why are we in the throws of the “days of Noah”? The man is giving up his right given to him by God to be head of the woman, and the church, surrendering his image of God. We did the very same thing in the Garden, didn’t we? We knew better, but she didn’t. We have turned our attention to the Glory of Man, instead of being the Glory of God. In all this time the “carnal” man and woman has not learned one thing, they repeating the history of Adam and Eve. So many women today are eating as fast as they can on that apple, offering it to the men, and so many of them can’t get there fast enough.
The woman is just not capable of being the head. She cannot reprogram herself. She has been “duped” again, and the man remains “stupid”. The woman in her tenderness and empathy is capable of ignoring the sin, and seeing only the poor misunderstood unfortunates of this world. They want to help, for they with their apple now know good from evil, and have become Wise as Eve – Genesis 3. But without believing the Word of God, we always will choose the evil. We can easily spot the churches the Christians are leaving. Christian faith, ituttut Galatians 1:11-12