"Preaching it straight" does not mean. . .

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  1. Spoudazo

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    -preaching opinions that can't be supported by Holy Writ
    -being uncouth in preaching your sermon
    -publicly "rebuking" people if they aren't dressed 100% correctly or referring to certain woman who are there as harlots, cows, heffers, or other words "certain" preachers have used.

    Just had to clear that up. :eek:

    (. . .after reading some old threads here)

    Preaching it straight does mean that you're preaching it straight from the Bible! ;)
     
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    Too many preachers in my neck of the woods are terrified of "offending" someone, so they only preach smooth things & they compromise the Word of God. I love my pastor who's not too skeered to step from the safety of his pulpit to preach Truth in the street, even at the risk of getting arrested! BTW, he uses a 'straight-stick' when preaching it straight. [​IMG]
     
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    Our preacher told us a young family had moved their letter and not long afterwards the young wife comes to tell him she's getting a divorce. 'God would want me to be happy' she tells him. God let her know this was okay, she seemed to think. Well Pastor Rick woke up anybody who might be dozing with a very loud 'NO!' 'He did NOT!' No wishy washy here, Granny!

    I can't respect a teacher who waters down God's word to fit itching ears! Divorce is WRONG! Homosexuality is SIN! Sex outside of marriage is NOT okay! Preach it or get out of the ministry!
     
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    Amen, Amen, Amen [​IMG]
     
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    Another loud AMEN! [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    dianetavegia,
    I agree with you 100%, but do you believe a pastor should "preach" on divorce? I would say more than half of the people in our cong. are divorced, and I go to a Southern Baptist church.
    I am not one of them, and I realized it's in the Bible, and I wouldn't have a problem with him preaching about it, it's just that I have never heard our pastor even mention it.
     
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    What some call preaching straight, others call meddling. HMMM.
    Straight preaching is NOT calling some folks cows. But it IS calling sin...SIN !
    If a preacher ain't steppin' on some toes, he needs to get OUT of the pulpit and INTO psycobabble counseling. He might be more comfortable there! :D
    HebĀ 4:12
    For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

    It is fairly plain that if a preacher is preaching the BOOK, he is going to step on toes, simply because folks don't like their pet sin exposed!

    In HIS service;
    Jim
     
  8. dianetavegia

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    YES, I do and ours does! If a pastor isn't calling sin, sin and preaching against sin then he needs to go work at a bank or some other worldy job.
     
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    [/qb][/QUOTE]he needs to go work at a bank or some other worldy job. [/QB][/QUOTE]

    I think we should call sin sin regardless of our jobs. ;)
     
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    dianetavegia,
    I think that is great. How do the divorced people react? Our minister of music is divorced, as is his wife. But, he isn't ordained.
    What difference that makes I don't know, I have personally always had a problem with it.
     
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    I don't know because I've not heard any complaints. Our previous pastor preached the same and I never heard anything either. I think, once they support it with scripture, people keep quiet because they know he's right.
     
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    When I preach on the subject of divorce and remarriage, it is usually the divorced folks saying "amen" the loudest. They, more than anyone else, want others to know that although God has been merciful to them, they wouldn't choose divorce for anyone else, especially their own children.

    The same goes for purity. It is those who lost their purity before getting to the marriage altar who want others to see the overwhelming benefits of obeying God and keeping themselves pure.
     
  13. Spoudazo

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    Obviously those of us who are preachers shoudl preach it straight. However my main point was so many "independent, fundamental, Bible-believing, KJVonly, pretip, dependent on the Holy Ghost" preachers often preach from the chest and not from God's Word.

    However, if God says something is wrong, have no fear and preach it!

    NAU 2 Samuel 12:7 Nathan then said to David, "You are the man! Thus says the LORD God of Israel, 'It is I who anointed you king over Israel and it is I who delivered you from the hand of Saul. 8 'I also gave you your master's house and your master's wives into your care, and I gave you the house of Israel and Judah; and if that had been too little, I would have added to you many more things like these! 9 'Why have you despised the word of the LORD by doing evil in His sight? You have struck down Uriah the Hittite with the sword, have taken his wife to be your wife, and have killed him with the sword of the sons of Ammon. Now therefore, the sword shall never depart from your house, because you have despised Me and have taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your wife.

    Or as one of my favorite sermons in the Bibles goes. . . [​IMG]
    NAU Acts 7:1 The high priest said, "Are these things so?" 2 And he said, "Hear me, brethren and fathers! The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Haran, 3 and said to him, 'LEAVE YOUR COUNTRY AND YOUR RELATIVES, AND COME INTO THE LAND THAT I WILL SHOW YOU.' 4 "Then he left the land of the Chaldeans and settled in Haran. From there, after his father died, God had him move to this country in which you are now living. 5 "But He gave him no inheritance in it, not even a foot of ground, and yet, even when he had no child, He promised that HE WOULD GIVE IT TO HIM AS A POSSESSION, AND TO HIS DESCENDANTS AFTER HIM. 6 "But God spoke to this effect, that his DESCENDANTS WOULD BE ALIENS IN A FOREIGN LAND, AND THAT THEY WOULD BE ENSLAVED AND MISTREATED FOR FOUR HUNDRED YEARS. 7 "'AND WHATEVER NATION TO WHICH THEY WILL BE IN BONDAGE I MYSELF WILL JUDGE,' said God, 'AND AFTER THAT THEY WILL COME OUT AND SERVE ME IN THIS PLACE.' 8 "And He gave him the covenant of circumcision; and so Abraham became the father of Isaac, and circumcised him on the eighth day; and Isaac became the father of Jacob, and Jacob of the twelve patriarchs. 9 "The patriarchs became jealous of Joseph and sold him into Egypt. Yet God was with him, 10 and rescued him from all his afflictions, and granted him favor and wisdom in the sight of Pharaoh, king of Egypt, and he made him governor over Egypt and all his household. 11 "Now a famine came over all Egypt and Canaan, and great affliction with it, and our fathers could find no food. 12 "But when Jacob heard that there was grain in Egypt, he sent our fathers there the first time. 13 "On the second visit Joseph made himself known to his brothers, and Joseph's family was disclosed to Pharaoh. 14 "Then Joseph sent word and invited Jacob his father and all his relatives to come to him, seventy-five persons in all. 15 "And Jacob went down to Egypt and there he and our fathers died. 16 "From there they were removed to Shechem and laid in the tomb which Abraham had purchased for a sum of money from the sons of Hamor in Shechem. 17 "But as the time of the promise was approaching which God had assured to Abraham, the people increased and multiplied in Egypt, 18 until THERE AROSE ANOTHER KING OVER EGYPT WHO KNEW NOTHING ABOUT JOSEPH. 19 "It was he who took shrewd advantage of our race and mistreated our fathers so that they would expose their infants and they would not survive. 20 "It was at this time that Moses was born; and he was lovely in the sight of God, and he was nurtured three months in his father's home. 21 "And after he had been set outside, Pharaoh's daughter took him away and nurtured him as her own son. 22 "Moses was educated in all the learning of the Egyptians, and he was a man of power in words and deeds. 23 "But when he was approaching the age of forty, it entered his mind to visit his brethren, the sons of Israel. 24 "And when he saw one of them being treated unjustly, he defended him and took vengeance for the oppressed by striking down the Egyptian. 25 "And he supposed that his brethren understood that God was granting them deliverance through him, but they did not understand. 26 "On the following day he appeared to them as they were fighting together, and he tried to reconcile them in peace, saying, 'Men, you are brethren, why do you injure one another?' 27 "But the one who was injuring his neighbor pushed him away, saying, 'WHO MADE YOU A RULER AND JUDGE OVER US? 28 'YOU DO NOT MEAN TO KILL ME AS YOU KILLED THE EGYPTIAN YESTERDAY, DO YOU?' 29 "At this remark, MOSES FLED AND BECAME AN ALIEN IN THE LAND OF MIDIAN, where he became the father of two sons. 30 "After forty years had passed, AN ANGEL APPEARED TO HIM IN THE WILDERNESS OF MOUNT Sinai, IN THE FLAME OF A BURNING THORN BUSH. 31 "When Moses saw it, he marveled at the sight; and as he approached to look more closely, there came the voice of the Lord: 32 'I AM THE GOD OF YOUR FATHERS, THE GOD OF ABRAHAM AND ISAAC AND JACOB.' Moses shook with fear and would not venture to look. 33 "BUT THE LORD SAID TO HIM, 'TAKE OFF THE SANDALS FROM YOUR FEET, FOR THE PLACE ON WHICH YOU ARE STANDING IS HOLY GROUND. 34 'I HAVE CERTAINLY SEEN THE OPPRESSION OF MY PEOPLE IN EGYPT AND HAVE HEARD THEIR GROANS, AND I HAVE COME DOWN TO RESCUE THEM; COME NOW, AND I WILL SEND YOU TO EGYPT.' 35 "This Moses whom they disowned, saying, 'WHO MADE YOU A RULER AND A JUDGE?' is the one whom God sent to be both a ruler and a deliverer with the help of the angel who appeared to him in the thorn bush. 36 "This man led them out, performing wonders and signs in the land of Egypt and in the Red Sea and in the wilderness for forty years. 37 "This is the Moses who said to the sons of Israel, 'GOD WILL RAISE UP FOR YOU A PROPHET LIKE ME FROM YOUR BRETHREN.' 38 "This is the one who was in the congregation in the wilderness together with the angel who was speaking to him on Mount Sinai, and who was with our fathers; and he received living oracles to pass on to you. 39 "Our fathers were unwilling to be obedient to him, but repudiated him and in their hearts turned back to Egypt, 40 SAYING TO AARON, 'MAKE FOR US GODS WHO WILL GO BEFORE US; FOR THIS MOSES WHO LED US OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT-- WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM.' 41 "At that time they made a calf and brought a sacrifice to the idol, and were rejoicing in the works of their hands. 42 "But God turned away and delivered them up to serve the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, 'IT WAS NOT TO ME THAT YOU OFFERED VICTIMS AND SACRIFICES FORTY YEARS IN THE WILDERNESS, WAS IT, O HOUSE OF ISRAEL? 43 'YOU ALSO TOOK ALONG THE TABERNACLE OF MOLOCH AND THE STAR OF THE GOD ROMPHA, THE IMAGES WHICH YOU MADE TO WORSHIP. I ALSO WILL REMOVE YOU BEYOND BABYLON.' 44 "Our fathers had the tabernacle of testimony in the wilderness, just as He who spoke to Moses directed him to make it according to the pattern which he had seen. 45 "And having received it in their turn, our fathers brought it in with Joshua upon dispossessing the nations whom God drove out before our fathers, until the time of David. 46 "David found favor in God's sight, and asked that he might find a dwelling place for the God of Jacob. 47 "But it was Solomon who built a house for Him. 48 "However, the Most High does not dwell in houses made by human hands; as the prophet says: 49 'HEAVEN IS MY THRONE, AND EARTH IS THE FOOTSTOOL OF MY FEET; WHAT KIND OF HOUSE WILL YOU BUILD FOR ME?' says the Lord, 'OR WHAT PLACE IS THERE FOR MY REPOSE? 50 'WAS IT NOT MY HAND WHICH MADE ALL THESE THINGS?' 51 "You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did. 52 "Which one of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? They killed those who had previously announced the coming of the Righteous One, whose betrayers and murderers you have now become; 53 you who received the law as ordained by angels, and yet did not keep it." 54 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the quick, and they began gnashing their teeth at him.
     
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    I agree 100% with Spoudazo's point. A lot of preaching in fundamental circles is to control behavior, rather than to effect God-produced change. Preaching should change lives. It should paint the darkness of sin, and the depravity of man's heart. But it should not beat up the recipients to cause them to control their behavior.

    Preaching ought to point people to Christ and the preacher ought to trust God to work in the hearts of his audience, rather than solicit a response through "spiritual terror tatics."
     
  15. dianetavegia

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    No but it SHOULD clearly give what the Bible says on sin and open their eyes. The Holy Spirit can use a good message, or a bad message, to convict someone of their need for repentance.
     
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    Exactally what I said. The problem is that many preachers go beyond what the Scriptures say to bring about a response themselves rather than letting God do the work.
     
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    Spudazo;
    I am curious. Why pick on IFB preachers? One could find the same practice in many other churches as well. Is it just beacuse of this forum or what?

    In HIS service;
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    In fundamentalism we are allowed to be critical of new evangelicals, but we are never allowed to be critical of our own preachers and leaders. Why the apperant inconsistancy?
     
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    1 Timothy 5:17 Let the elders who rule well be counted worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in the word and doctrine. 18 For the Scripture says, "You shall not muzzle an ox while it treads out the grain," and, "The laborer is worthy of his wages." 19 Do not receive an accusation against an elder except from two or three witnesses. 20 Those who are sinning rebuke in the presence of all, that the rest also may fear. 21 I charge you before God and the Lord Jesus Christ and the elect angels that you observe these things without prejudice, doing nothing with partiality.
     
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    It is one thing to bring an accusation of sin against an elder, its quite another to disagree with his teachings on some issues.

    I wonder, was it a sin for the Bereans to search out what Paul told them to see if it was so? In essense to not just take his word for it, but see if it was in the Old Testament?

    Thats the problem in our churches today, whether they are liberal or legalistic, people just don't search out the scriptures and test what their Pastors say by the Word of God. Is the pastor preaching the 'straight' Word of God? Or is he mixing his opinion in with the Word and not distinquishing between his opinion and what the Word of God actually says.

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