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I mentioned them:thumbs: Is that okay with you Hos?

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Did I post that skan mentioned them???

What confession do you know of that is non cal.?

Many churches I visit are a mix...that is sad.I see alot of decline and it makes me sad. I look for signs of spiritual life and service primarily, but I have to say I am always listening to what is being offered

These personal attacks do not help your credibility.I am closer to many a good presbyterian, or biblical anglican....than many of the foul ideas you look into:wavey: At least the padeos have a substantial biblical worldview even if we differ on their view of covenant continuity/discontinuity.
I know pareos who would tie you up in knots and spit you out before you knew what hit you. What would you do, make these silly personal attacks on them also.?

9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

Are you sure about that:laugh:

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The thing is i did not do that as you once again falsely accuse...like saying I lied.....I know you meant to apologise for that slander:laugh:

HOS.....if this is all you have got....why don't you just save it. Nobody wants to read this childish kind of tirade. If you have some scriptural imput offer it.
If not save your energy for your middle knowledge speculations and seeking to oppose what many have historically believed.

 

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Hello Allan,
This whole topic is another thread all by itself. Sadly there is some truth to some of this that is regretable.
Today's RB pastors look to simplify it . Anyone can come in and visit. Anyone can take time to examine the confession of faith. If they do not like it,they can make known where they differ. I have a few points I differ on, but there is a degree of flexibility.
Two cannot walk together unless they be agreed.Either that....or just keep it shallow....do not really open things up.....That is what I have seen.

What some proudly trumpet as tolerance...is many times sanctimonious compromise. This is worse i think:wavey:

 

Yes, I am still pretty sure...You seem to have failed to distinguish the direct object from the indirect object of my statement...I repost here:

You must think that I was attempting to suggest that you were incapable of possessing a Strong's concordance and thus demonstrating that the word "self-willed" itself does, in fact, exist....That, I am already aware of...The direct object in my statement is distinction....I was claiming that the distinction you like to make has little or no meaning. I have in fact, perused the verses you posted before...I've run across them....Israel is spoken of as being "stiff-necked" too!!! Isn't that exciting. You have demonstrated the existence of a certain word.

 

Sin that was determined/planned/control by God.

I'm only pointing out how your view, if viewed consistently, makes God culpable for man's rejection of truth. The reason I reject your view is precisely because I refuse to blame God for man's sin.

 

This is not where our tension is. We are not the ones who dogmatically conclude that all things depend on God, as you do. We affirm man's freedom and appeal to mystery as to exactly how men make those free choices. The only reason I or other believers don't affirm Calvinistic soteriology (if your view is correct) is because God so ordained it. I'm 'missing' nothing that God hasn't sovereignty decreed for me to miss, and you have not caught anything they God hasn't sovereignty decreed for you to catch, thus you warning is virtually meaningless.

Now, you can speculate that your appeal to 'consider these things' could be the means that God uses to bring one of us to a 'correct' understanding of your doctrine, but that doesn't change the facts of the matter...which are that what we do in this regard is totally dependent upon God and thus your rebuke would be more accurately aimed at Him, not us. Beg him to change us, for that is really your only hope of us changing. It's just like when Cals tell Arminians they can't pray to God for their friend to be saved...the same logic applies in reverse...you can't appeal to men to change either.

At your wish I will allow the thread to continue without further interruption... Sorry.

 

It man's only hope for a response, but a response is still needed. I can't go to the wedding banquet unless I'm invited. Without the invitation I'm hopeless. I won't be selected to enter unless I'm clothed in righteousness by Grace through faith. Without Christ's provision I'm hopeless, but with it we ALL have hope and THAT is the GOSPEL (Good-NEWS for all)

True, but in my system the "means" actually "mean" something.

 

You would say forseen, yet not prevented.

You don't escape it. If one digs a hole, and fails to cover it, he is liable for the damages if one falls in.

Ex. 21:33

Are you more righteous than God, Who said He created the wicked for the Day of Judgment?

 

No, actually I wouldn't. Even that perspective puts God on a finite linear time line. The idea of God merely foreseeing something yet to come is a finite way of looking at God...as if he is in time waiting along with the rest of us for what is yet to be experienced. He is the great I AM, not the great I WILL BE and His ways are much greater than our ways. I don't draw hard and fast conclusions about such infinite matters of God's knowledge and creation. I simply affirm his omniscience and man's freedom.

God desires that no one perishes, but if they refuse to accept the clearly revealed truth of His revelation he certainly will fit them for judgement and wrath. God is patient, merciful and loving, not wishing anyone to perish. No man has any excuse for not being saved for God, in gracious love, has provided all men everywhere the means to be saved. That is the GOODNEWS!