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  1. charles_creech78

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    Do you believe this is the only way someone can go to heaven? Do you believe Predestinate can be for anyone of us or just some. Do you believe Predestinate means just for some and all the rest are ment to be damned. I just want to know what you thank about it.:thumbs:
     
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    What does the Bible say about it?
    also in Romans 9 we see that it is of nothing that we have done.

    We are chosen in Him before the foundations of the world.

    God will save all He wants to save.
    To say otherwise is to say that God will fail with some.
    God will save a vast number of souls. Everyone that the Father has given Him.

    BUt we must remember John 3 that God didn't send His son to condemn the world because the world was already condemned.

    Men go to hell because of their own choosing. Other men go to heaven because of God's choosing to overcome the sinful mans wicked heart.

    Thank God for predestination and election because without it, we all would likewise perish.
     
  3. Martin

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    ==If all are predestinated then all will be saved. The Bible never teaches that all are predestinated. Only the saved are predestinated (Rom 8:29-30).
     
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    Here are some of the best statements on the subject I have found...

    "God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass; yet so as thereby is God neither the author of sin nor hath fellowship with any therein; nor is violence offered to the will of the creature, nor yet is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established; in which appears his wisdom in disposing all things, and power and faithfulness in accomplishing his decree."

    "Although God knoweth whatsoever may or can come to pass, upon all supposed conditions, yet hath he not decreed anything, because he foresaw it as future, or as that which would come to pass upon such conditions."

    "By the decree of God, for the manifestation of his glory, some men and angels are predestinated, or foreordained to eternal life through Jesus Christ, to the praise of his glorious grace; others being left to act in their sin to their just condemnation, to the praise of his glorious justice."

    "These angels and men thus predestinated and foreordained, are particularly and unchangeably designed, and their number so certain and definite, that it cannot be either increased or diminished."

    "Those of mankind that are predestinated to life, God, before the foundation of the world was laid, according to his eternal and immutable purpose, and the secret counsel and good pleasure of his will, hath chosen in Christ unto everlasting glory, out of his mere free grace and love, without any other thing in the creature as a condition or cause moving him thereunto."

    "As God hath appointed the elect unto glory, so he hath, by the eternal and most free purpose of his will, foreordained all the means thereunto; wherefore they who are elected, being fallen in Adam, are redeemed by Christ, are effectually called unto faith in Christ, by his Spirit working in due season, are justified, adopted, sanctified, and kept by his power through faith unto salvation; neither are any other redeemed by Christ, or effectually called, justified, adopted, sanctified, and saved, but the elect only."

    "The doctrine of the high mystery of predestination is to be handled with special prudence and care, that men attending the will of God revealed in his Word, and yielding obedience thereunto, may, from the certainty of their effectual vocation, be assured of their eternal election; so shall this doctrine afford matter of praise, reverence, and admiration of God, and of humility, diligence, and abundant consolation to all that sincerely obey the gospel."

    from Chapter 3: Of God's Decree. 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith.
     
  5. charles_creech78

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    So what you are saying you have to be predestinated to be saved. predestinated means foreordain. Does that mean you need to be foreordain before you can be saved. Is that what you are saying.
     
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    Just to interject a thought...I think the real question is does God's word say that those who are saved...are those people foreordained to eternal life?

    My answer to that questions is emphatically yes, that's exactly what the Scripture says (God says). I can provide those Scriptures if you like.
     
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    I believe what the bible says, all men deserve hell, all are destined to hell, God out of His love and grace chose some to rescue, not because of anything of themselves but because of God. Whether anyone likes it or not we are God's creation and He can and does do as He wills, not as we will. All His works, all His decisions are perfect.
     
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    Did someone mess up then??? :confused:
     
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    Uhhh..you lost me there brother Bob. Can you re-phrase your question that helps illuminate the point your driving at?
     
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    ==That is certainly what Paul is saying in Romans 8:29-30. Please note that those who are called, justified, and glorified (ie...saved) were first foreknown and predestined. There is no Biblical teaching that someone can be saved if they were not predestined.
     
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    If Hell has to enlarge its borders and everything was already predestinated. Then how come hell was not big enough to start with?
     
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    It wasn't built to spec. You just can't find good contractors anymore.
     
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    Probably like that bridge that just fell into the Mississippi.;)
     
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    Excellent point, I can't wait for the answers!
    Predestination is not predetermination.
     
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    Then what is it?
     
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    marking, yada yada
     
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    It's finite mankind trying to understand an infinite God.
     
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    Yup. "This hell project has gone all to hell... wait a minute..."
     
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    I have to admit that made me chuckle
     
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    Mr


    There aren't any preconditions on this familiar verse.

    Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
     

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