Ephesians 1:4-5 - Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, -It has been argued that Ephesians 1:5 does NOT teach that God predestined certain people to be adopted, but rather SIMPLY predestined what he was going to do with those who chose HIM...that for all who choose him, he has predestined that they will one day be adopted, when our bodies are glorified. Rom. 8:23 has been given as evidence of this view: Romans 8:23 - And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. -However, just a few verses earlier, we find out that while we wait for adoption, we have also already been adopted, we are already God's children: Romans 8:15-17 - For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received [past tense] the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are [present tense] children of God, and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him. -Other verses sustain this idea that we are ALREADY GOD'S CHILDREN NOW! Ephesians 5:1 - Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children. John 1:12 - But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, -I believe 1 John 3:2 sheds some light here. 1 John 3:2 - Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is. -It seems that anyone who is a Christian has ALREADY been adopted and made a child of God...but we do not yet experience the fullness of the blessings that come with that. This is the commont "already, not yet" scenario: We have been saved, we shall be saved. We have been adopted, we wait for adoption. We are called "holy ones", we will one day be truly holy. In conclusion, I believe Eph. 1:5 & Romans 8:23 cannot be used to disprove that God predestines people TO BE adopted, and that this adoption is speaking of salvation, or becoming a child of God.